Re: Is the response header "Upgrade: h2" allowed when TLS is used?

[Stefan Eissing <[e-mail]>]

If backport gets the votes, next Apache httpd release will no longer carry h2 in an Upgrade: announcement. Thanks for your time.

-Stefan

PS. Which still does not make sense to me, but seems to be what the specification says...

> Am 19.04.2016 um 23:47 schrieb Mike Bishop <[e-mail]>:
> 
> That would seem reasonable.  Hypothetically, a server could attempt RFC 2817-style Upgrade to TLS and then select "h2" as the ALPN token during the TLS handshake.  A logical flow for carrying the initial request into the h2 context would look a lot like that for h2c -- stream 1 is half-closed and already "contains" the client's initial request.  However, that still wouldn't use an "h2" Upgrade token and isn't actually defined anywhere.
> 
> "Upgrade: h2c" or offer Alt-Svc if you want to switch to HTTP/2 on a different, encrypted connection.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Kaufmann [mailto:[e-mail]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 2:30 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Is the response header "Upgrade: h2" allowed when TLS is used?
> 
> Zitat von Amos Jeffries <[e-mail]>:
> 
>> On 20/04/2016 4:07 a.m., Cory Benfield wrote:
>>> 
>>> Heh, I missed that. With that note, then, I’d say that Apache should 
>>> stop putting h2 in the Upgrade header on a TLS-using connection
>>> *unless* it believes that connection is for a HTTP-schemed URL, when 
>>> it should put h2c.
>>> 
>>> Cory
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I think you are all overlooking the basic details:
>> 
>> * RFC 7540 does not govern HTTP/1.1 connections, even TLS ones.
>> 
>> * RFC 7540 section 3.2 is about negotiating http:// URLs over non-TLS 
>> connections.
>> 
>> 
>> When the client has negotiated for HTTP/1.1 over TLS to happen (aka 
>> HTTPS). It is appropriate to Upgrade:h2. Since RFC 723x applies.
>> 
>> 
>> But when the client negotiates h2c to happen. It is forbidden from 
>> using
>> Upgrade:h2 to get to h2. Avoiding the issues Upgrade would have with 
>> only one-way encryption for the message pair.
>> 
>> Note that h2c is also forbidden from being used in ALPN by section 3.3.
>> So there is no valid way to be using TLS for h2c in the first place.
>> 
>> If one is already using h2 it is pointless to Upgrade:h2.
>> 
> 
> I have just realized that RFC 7540 registers the "h2c" upgrade token (section 11.8) but it does NOT register an "h2" upgrade token. (it also registers the identification strings "h2" and "h2c" for ALPN in section 11.1, but that is a different thing)
> 
> The upgrade token "h2" probably does not exist according to the RFCs.  
> It is also not mentioned here:  
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/http-upgrade-tokens/http-upgrade-tokens.xhtml
> 
> So when using TLS, servers should not send "Upgrade: h2" because "h2"  
> is an undefined upgrade token. And also when using TLS, servers should not send "Upgrade: h2c" because h2c means "HTTP/2 using cleartext TCP", and a connection that uses TLS cannot be "upgraded" to a connection that does not use TLS.
> 
> Do you agree...?
> 
> Regards,
> Michael
> 
>