Re: port #?
Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Mon, 10 June 2013 01:42 UTC
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:40:16 +0900
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Fine by me, as long as people don't (yet) read this as precluding using another port if we have external, non-URI information (e.g, a DNS record). Cheers, On 08/06/2013, at 5:30 AM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote: > Everything that Ted says, plus I think that the suggested text isn't > quite the right place. We talk about using the same "http:" and > "https:" schemes in Section 2. It would be relatively easy to add > "...and ports" to the following statement: > > OLD: > HTTP/2.0 uses the same "http:" and "https:" URI schemes used by HTTP/1.1. > ADD: > HTTP/2.0 also shares the same default port numbers: 80 for "http:" > URIs and 443 for "https:" URIs. > > That would address option 5, remove any ambiguity, etc... > > On 7 June 2013 13:17, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Eliot, >> >> Some comments in-line. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I note that we still haven't cleaned up the connection model >>> sufficiently. When someone implements a specification they need to know >>> at least the port number to connect to. This is the document that has to >>> specify at least at a bare minimum how that happens. This can be >>> handled in at least one of four ways: >>> >>> 1. We refer to RFC-2616 normatively. This implies that we will not >>> obsolete 2616 at this time. If we do so later we would need to pull the >>> HTTP URI definition out and update the IANA definition. >> >> >> Other httpbis documents obsolete 2616, so we should refer to those, rather >> than 2616. >> >>> >>> 2. We pull the HTTP URI definition out and produce a small document for >>> it separately and refer to that, updating RFC-2616. >>> >>> 3. We include the URI definition in the HTTP2 draft. >> >> >> If it needs to be re-iterated, I think having the reiteration within the >> HTTP2 draft is fine. But simply referring to whatever RFC >> draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging-13 becomes seems simpler. That reinforces >> the idea that HTTP2 and HTTP share the same URI synatx. >> >> >>> >>> 4. We abstract the connection model entirely from the document. >>> 5. We specify that unless specified within a URI, the default protocol >>> is TCP and the default port is 80. >>> >>> This all came to light because of interest to do some work with HTTP2 >>> using something other than TCP. Thus, one might thing that [4] is the >>> appropriate thing to do, but my experience with BEEP is that it lends >>> itself to an ugly set of documents and violates the KISS principle. To >>> that end, I recommend the text in [5] be added for now, and that as >>> HTTP2 matures we consider [2] later. >>> >> So, I think saying that new transports may mint new URI schemes >> (http.newfangled) is safe enough; they may. But I'm not sure whether that >> adds much value. What's the harm in simply referring to >> draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging for the URI syntax and leaving it at that >> for the moment? >> >> regards, >> >> Ted >> >> >>> >>> Specifically, OLD: >>> >>> The HTTP/2.0 session runs atop TCP ([RFC0793]). The client is the >>> TCP connection initiator. >>> >>> NEW: >>> >>> Unless otherwise specified within a URI, an HTTP/2.0 session runs >>> atop TCP ([RFC0793]) and a client initiates a server on port 80. >>> >>> Eliot >>> >> > -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/
- port #? Eliot Lear
- Re: port #? Julian Reschke
- Re: port #? Eliot Lear
- Re: port #? Ted Hardie
- Re: port #? Martin Thomson
- Re: port #? Roberto Peon
- Re: port #? Mark Nottingham
- Re: port #? Eliot Lear