Re: SPDY Header Frames
Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> Fri, 13 July 2012 22:51 UTC
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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
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Hi Poul-Henning, On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:27:22PM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <CABP7RbepWH4ahSPHDU_M_w0tRVz_RRm1FV-jM_Y72=YHCVqO0g@mail.gmail.com> > , James M Snell writes: > > >As discussed within draft-tarreau-httpbis-network-friendly-00, and as has > >been mentioned several times in discussion on list, handling of headers > >within the current SPDY framing, and in particular the layering of HTTP/1.1 > >messages into SPDY frames is less than optimal. [...] > > While I appreciate your willingness to keep trying to modify SPDY, > I think it is premature to do so, certainly until we know what > HTTP/2.0 should actually do and how it should do it. > > For instance if we decide to do the envelope/substance split, > (probably envelope/metadata/substance actually), that has pretty big > implications for the requirements to the actual protocol. > > Such fundamental questions should be resolved before we waste time > trying to fine-tune representations. I think such contributions here on the WG are useful. As you probably have noticed when we spent countless hours rotating bits in every possible combinations, starting from a blank page is extremely difficult, and most of the progress comes from contributors who are able to comment on what they like or don't like in the design. Whatever will be retained as a basis for HTTP/2.0, this exercise is useful and may incite other users to provide very valuable feedback. Best regards, Willy
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Roland Zink
- SPDY Header Frames James M Snell
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Willy Tarreau
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Mike Belshe
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Jonathan Ballard
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Roland Zink
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Jonathan Ballard
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Willy Tarreau
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Willy Tarreau
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Roberto Peon
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: SPDY Header Frames HAYASHI, Tatsuya
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Willy Tarreau
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Roland Zink
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Roberto Peon
- Re: SPDY Header Frames HAYASHI, Tatsuya
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Amos Jeffries
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Amos Jeffries
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Amos Jeffries
- Re: SPDY Header Frames HAYASHI, Tatsuya
- Re: SPDY Header Frames James M Snell
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Amos Jeffries
- Re: SPDY Header Frames James M Snell
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Mike Belshe
- Re: SPDY Header Frames James M Snell
- Re: SPDY Header Frames James M Snell
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Martin J. Dürst
- Re: SPDY Header Frames James M Snell
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Julian Reschke
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Roberto Peon
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- character encoding in header fields, was: SPDY He… Julian Reschke
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: character encoding in header fields, was: SPD… Amos Jeffries
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Roberto Peon
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Julian Reschke
- Re: SPDY Header Frames James M Snell
- Re: character encoding in header fields, was: SPD… James M Snell
- Re: character encoding in header fields, was: SPD… Julian Reschke
- Re: character encoding in header fields, was: SPD… James M Snell
- Re: character encoding in header fields, was: SPD… Poul-Henning Kamp
- RE: character encoding in header fields, was: SPD… Robert Brewer
- Re: character encoding in header fields, was: SPD… James M Snell
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Patrick McManus
- Re: character encoding in header fields, was: SPD… Julian Reschke
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… James M Snell
- Re: SPDY Header Frames James M Snell
- Re: SPDY Header Frames Nicolas Mailhot
- Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Header … Julian Reschke
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Nicolas Mailhot
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Nicolas Mailhot
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Karl Dubost
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Karl Dubost
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Karl Dubost
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Nicolas Mailhot
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Julian Reschke
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Karl Dubost
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… James M Snell
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Karl Dubost
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Poul-Henning Kamp
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… James M Snell
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Martin J. Dürst
- RE: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… Anil Sharma
- Re: Minimizing/avoiding User-Agent, was: SPDY Hea… James M Snell