Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-httpbis-client-hints-03.txt

"Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk> Tue, 13 December 2016 22:05 UTC

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In message <465252C7-D9DD-4E62-B4D7-40ACDB47812C@mnot.net>, Mark Nottingham wri
tes:

>> [1] https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/168
>
>I think that's the context that was missing here. The intent AIUI is not 
>to allow more than one save-data token to appear at a time (in a list); 
>rather, it's to allow tokens to carry additional context as extensions.
>
>Given that, is there still a concern about compatibility with what 
>Common Structure might define?

I think not.

But I'm left wondering why it was done that way ?

	Save-Data: on;video-only

looks fine, until you try to extend it and end up with:

	Save-Data: on;video-and-big-pictures-unless-cute-kittens

I would have leveraged mime-types and our existing "grading" tool:

	Save-Data: video/*;q=1,audio/*;q=5

But I'm not a stakeholder in this, so that is just an observation.

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