Re: Preliminary agenda for the SF Interim

William Chan (陈智昌) <willchan@chromium.org> Tue, 04 June 2013 20:05 UTC

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NM, I see that
https://github.com/http2/wg_materials/blob/master/interim-13-06/agenda.mdis
significantly updated and fairly well fleshed out. It includes several
stream lifecycle issues, so I think this is sufficiently covered in the
agenda. If you do not already ignore all my emails, feel free to ignore
these emails on this thread.


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:11 AM, William Chan (陈智昌)
<willchan@chromium.org>wrote;wrote:

> I feel like we still have some open questions around stream lifetimes. If
> we do not have consensus here yet, I think it'd be advisable to pencil in
> time on the agenda to discuss this.
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>> > As you can probably guess, we haven't been able to get implementations
>> moving before this Interim, but I'd very much like to exit it being able to
>> get there quickly.
>> >
>> > With that in mind, I've asked the editors to publish a draft -03 by
>> early next week, to give everyone enough time to review the draft.
>> >
>> > Likewise, I've asked Herve and Roberto to get their header proposal(s)
>> lined up and ready for discussion at the F2F.
>> >
>>
>> While I wasn't asked to have it "lined up and ready for discussion",
>> the current bohe header proposal will be updated one more time before
>> the F2F and will be ready for discussion. Specifically, the typed
>> codecs portion is pretty much done and ready to go.
>>
>> > Please come into the meeting having read ALL of those documents
>> carefully (once updated), as well as the issues list <
>> https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/issues>gt;.
>> >
>> > If there are particular issues that you believe are important to get
>> sorted out for the first implementation draft, please bring them up on-list
>> BEFORE the meeting, so that we can make that time as productive as
>> possible. The current list of such issues is <
>> https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/issues?milestone=1&page=1&state=open>
>> >
>> > A _rough_ agenda for discussion:
>> >
>> > * Administrivia
>> >    - Blue sheets
>> >    - Introductions
>> >    - Scribe Selection
>> >    - Agenda Bashing
>> >    - NOTE WELL
>> >    - Ground rules for the meeting
>> > * Document review [editors]
>> >   - Open editors' questions
>> > * Header compression
>> > * Server push walkthrough
>> >    * PUSH_PROMISE
>> > * Flow Control overview
>> > * Prioritisation review
>> > * Upgrade / negotiation
>> > * Other issue discussion
>> >[snip]
>>
>> Frame sizing, Unknown frame handling (clarification of must-ignore
>> rule), and max concurrent streams ought to be included as well.
>>
>> - James
>>
>>
>