Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011ApprovalNotification
"Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com> Mon, 18 July 2011 23:13 UTC
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From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>
To: Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com>, "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" <bertietf@bwijnen.net>, "C. M. Heard" <heard@pobox.com>
Cc: Hubmib <hubmib@ietf.org>, David B Harrington <ietfdbh@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011ApprovalNotification
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Hi Glenn, Thanks for reminding one important reason for not making the IETF Bridge MIBs obsolete. There is no intention to change this, at least AFAIK. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Parsons [mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:42 AM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Bert Wijnen (IETF); C. M. Heard > Cc: Hubmib; David B Harrington > Subject: RE: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1- > 2011ApprovalNotification > > Dan, > > We did not discuss this option for the 802.1 MIBs at the time, even > though that was the general intent. > > The view was that if someone wanted to implement a simple bridge, they > could use the IETF MIBs (in RFC 4188, 4318 & 4363). > > As a result we imported some definitions from the IETF BRIDGE-MIB and > Q-BRIDGE-MIB instead of redefining them. > > Given this, is making the IETF Bridge MIBs obsolete appropriate? > > For 802.3, I don't think there are any imports from the IETF MIBS, so > this would be cleaner. > > Cheers, > Glenn. > > -----Original Message----- > From: hubmib-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:hubmib-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: July-18-11 4:39 PM > To: Bert Wijnen (IETF); C. M. Heard > Cc: Hubmib; David B Harrington > Subject: Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1- > 2011ApprovalNotification > > > > Hi Bert, > > I thought that we can avoid the writing of such an RFC for the > transition of the Ethernet MIB documents to IEEE 802.3, as we already > approved the transition process within the IESG, and the IEEE 802.3 > have completed the first phase of the work. Would you or somebody else > object to having the IESG approve marking the IETF RFCs as 'obsolete' > and pointing to the IEEE 802.3 in the meta-data or you do believe that > we must have this information in an RFC and run this through a > consensus process which is broader than the IESG? > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bert Wijnen (IETF) [mailto:bertietf@bwijnen.net] > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:26 PM > > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); C. M. Heard > > Cc: Hubmib; David B Harrington > > Subject: Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1- > > 2011ApprovalNotification > > > > Well, my proposal then would be that we write a 1-2 page > informational > > RFC that explains that the new IEEE modules are the newer modules and > > should be used. > > The new RFC that we write then obsoletes the IETF MIB RFCs. So they > do > > not become historic, but they get obsoleted bij an informational (or > > BCP if that is better) RFC document that explains why and points > to > > the new current IEEE MIB modules. > > > > Bert > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com> > > To: "Bert (IETF) Wijnen" <bertietf@bwijnen.net>; "C. M. Heard" > > <heard@pobox.com> > > Cc: "Hubmib" <hubmib@ietf.org>; "David B Harrington" > > <ietfdbh@comcast.net> > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1- > > 2011ApprovalNotification > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am not sure, I need to consult with the IESG, as the issue of a > > > non-IETF document obsoleting an IETF document may be rather new. I > > see > > > that we did not make such a note on RFC 4188, when work was > > transferred > > > to the IEEE 802.1WG. I am copying DBH who wrote RFC 4663. > > > > > > To be clear - we are talking only about the meta-data for these > RFCs, > > > not about changing their status to Historic (for which the > procedure > > is > > > described by an IESG statement - > > > > http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/designating-rfcs-as-historic.html) > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > Dan > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: hubmib-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:hubmib-bounces@ietf.org] On > > >> Behalf Of Bert (IETF) Wijnen > > >> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:24 PM > > >> To: C. M. Heard > > >> Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Hubmib > > >> Subject: Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 > > >> ApprovalNotification > > >> > > >> On 7/16/11 5:24 PM, C. M. Heard wrote: > > >> > Dan, > > >> > > > >> > This new IEEE standard was published on July 1, 2011. Since it > > >> > includes updated versions of the MIB modules defined in RFC > 2108, > > >> > RFC 3621, RFC 3635, RFC 3637, RFC 4836, RFC 4837, RFC 4878, and > > RFC > > >> > 5066, a question arises: would it be appropriate for the > meta-data > > >> > for these RFCs to indicate that they are obsoleted by IEEE Std > > >> > 802.3.1? > > >> > > >> Not sure if the RFC-editor can do or normally doies this. Dan, do > > you > > >> know. > > >> > > >> If not, I guess we could write 1-2 page RFC that obsoletes the > > listed > > >> RFCs with a > > >> pointer to the IEEE document. > > >> > > >> Bert > > >> > > > >> > Mike Heard > > >> > > > >> > On Sun, 22 May 2011, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > >> >> FYI. > > >> >> > > >> >> Regards, > > >> >> > > >> >> Dan > > >> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Howard Frazier [mailto:hfrazier@BROADCOM.COM] > > >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 12:06 AM > > >> >> To: STDS-802-3-MIB@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > > >> >> Subject: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 Approval Notification > > >> >> > > >> >> Dear Members of the IEEE 802.3.1 Ethernet MIB modules Task > Force, > > >> >> > > >> >> The initial version of P802.3.1/D3.1 Standard for Management > > >> Information Base (MIB) definitions for Ethernet has been approved > as > > > an > > >> IEEE standard. See below. Congratulations and thanks to all of you > > for > > >> your work on this project. > > >> >> > > >> >> A PAR for a revision of the standard is on the agenda for the > > June > > >> IEEE-SA Standards Board meeting. > > >> >> > > >> >> We will hold a short meeting next Thursday afternoon in > > conjunction > > >> with the IEEE 802.3 interim meetings in Incline Village, NV, to > plan > > >> our work for the revision project. > > >> >> > > >> >> Howard Frazier > > >> >> Chair, IEEE 802.3.1 Ethernet MIB modules Task Force > > >> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Law, David [mailto:dlaw@hp.com] > > >> >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 12:05 PM > > >> >> To: Howard Frazier > > >> >> Subject: FW: 802.3.1-2011 Approval Notification > > >> >> > > >> >> Hi Howard, > > >> >> > > >> >> On checking I found that I did have the approval notification. > > >> >> > > >> >> Congratulations!! > > >> >> > > >> >> Best regards, > > >> >> David > > >> >> _______________________________________ > > >> >> > > >> >> From: k.evangelista@ieee.org [mailto:k.evangelista@ieee.org] > > >> >> Sent: 17 May 2011 14:28 > > >> >> To: Law, David > > >> >> Cc: p.nikolich@ieee.org; K.Bennett@ieee.org; > > > k.breitfelder@ieee.org; > > >> thompson@ieee.org > > >> >> Subject: 802.3.1-2011 Approval Notification > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> 17 May 2011 > > >> >> > > >> >> David Law > > >> >> HP Ltd. > > >> >> 20 Clayknowes Ave > > >> >> Musselburgh, East Lothian EH21 6UR Scotland > > >> >> > > >> >> cc: Paul Nikolich, Sponsor Chair > > >> >> Kathryn Bennett, Program Manager > > >> >> Kim Breitfelder, Manager Standards Publishing > > >> >> Thomas Geoffrey, Negative Balloter > > >> >> > > >> >> RE: NEW P802.3.1/D3.1 (C/LM) Standard for Management > Information > > >> Base (MIB) definitions for Ethernet > > >> >> Dear David, > > >> >> > > >> >> I am pleased to inform you that P802.3.1 was approved as a new > > >> standard by the IEEE-SA Standards Board on 16 May 2011. A copy of > > the > > >> document will be forwarded to the Standards Publications > Department. > > >> The editor assigned to work on the project will contact you. > > >> >> > > >> >> All IEEE standards shall be updated within five years of > approval > > > by > > >> the IEEE-SA Standards Board. If the standard is not revised, > > >> reaffirmed, or withdrawn within five years, the Sponsor will be > > >> notified that it will be submitted to the Standards Board for > > >> administrative withdrawal. > > >> >> > > >> >> It should be noted that any negative balloters have the right > to > > >> appeal. 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- [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 Appr… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … C. M. Heard
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … Bert (IETF) Wijnen
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … C. M. Heard
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011A… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011A… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011A… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011A… Glenn Parsons
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011A… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … David Harrington
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … C. M. Heard
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … C. M. Heard
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … C. M. Heard
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Hubmib] FW: [802.3.1_MIBS] FW: 802.3.1-2011 … David Harrington