Re: [hybi] Apples and Orangutans
Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org> Mon, 13 April 2009 00:10 UTC
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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Apples and Orangutans
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Greg Wilkins wrote: > >I don't understand why a 16bit integer solves the problem for TCP, but a > >string doesn't solve the problem for WebSocket. They seem exactly > >equivalent to me -- they identify the target of the connection, and by > >convention, the protocol that that target supports. > > The big difference is that for the web you only have 2 strings > while TCP/IP has an infinite number of 16 bit integers. > > ie The TCP/IP model is that if you want a ssh and 2 ftp conversations > then you open one connection to port 22 and 2 connections to port 21 That's separate connections, to the same service, not to separate services. If want to connect to different services on the same host, over TCP/IP you typically need something like separate IP addresses (bad idea) or a distinguishing "virtual host" header like HTTP's Host:. Or different ports, but then it's not a well known service and often doesn't work over firewalls. The analogous thing in WebSockets would be a path for the resource being connected to, and a string/path to identify the service type. However, I don't think there is really a need for the second string. The first one is enough to identify both the resource being connected to and the service type, in the usual ways that people assign application-specific meanings to URLs. -- Jamie
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