Re: [I2nsf] Is there any objection of sunset the I2NSF Capabilities Information Model Draft and merge the relevant information to the I2NSF Capability Data model draft?

["Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Linda,
I agree at merging the NSF Capabilities Information Model Draft into the
NSF Capability Data Model Draft.

I will be able to work on the merging with the help of Susan and other
coauthors.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

2020년 9월 29일 (화) 오전 1:00, Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>님이 작성:

> I2NSF WG,
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> As Diego has expressed that the original I2NSF capability information
> model was based on a policy expression calculus suitable for manipulating
> high-level policy expressions.  The capability data model has been evolving
> in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at the
> hackathons.
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> The I2NSF Capability Information Model has fulfilled its purpose of
> kickstarting and guiding the data model, and the authors believe that it is
> better to let the capability information model to be withdrawn. For the
> content in the information model still relevant to I2NSF Capability Data
> Model, they should be merged into the Capability Data Model.
>
>
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> Is there any objection from the WG?  If we don’t hear any objection by Oct
> 5, we will change the status of the draft.
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> Cheers,
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> Linda & Yoav
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> *From:* Diego R. Lopez <[e-mail]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 5:35 PM
> *To:* Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> [e-mail]>
> *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <[e-mail]>; Yoav Nir <
> [e-mail]>; John Strassner <[e-mail]>; Aldo
> Basile <[e-mail]>; Roman Danyliw <[e-mail]>
> *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities
> Information Model Draft
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> Hi Linda,
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>
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> I’d prefer the second option, as it seems more straightforward and natural
> to me, and in parallel would like you to consider the idea of an I2NSF
> extension allowing us to reuse the capability model for policy-control
> transformation, and to incorporate the attestation matters you know I was
> so much interested in.
>
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> Be goode,
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> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"
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> Dr Diego R. Lopez
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> On 22/09/2020, 18:01, "Linda Dunbar" <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Diego:
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> Thank you very much for the reflection of the Capabilities Information
> Model Draft. Agree with your statement that “the capability data model was
> evolving in a quite reasonable and pragmatic way, including running code at
> the hackathons”.
>
>
>
> Looks like Eric Vyncke still wants the information model to be fixed to
> clear his “DISCUSS” ballot.
>
> How about the following steps:
>
> -          Ask Roman’s advice if we can simplify the Information Model
> mainly to reflect what has been in the Data Model.
>
> -          Or, drop the Information model draft and remove the refence to
> the draft, but Roman has to convince Eric to agree not having the
> information model.
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> What do you think?
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>
> Linda
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> *From:* Diego R. Lopez <[e-mail]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 9:50 AM
> *To:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[e-mail]>; Linda Dunbar <
> [e-mail]>
> *Cc:* Xialiang (Frank) <[e-mail]>; Yoav Nir <
> [e-mail]>; John Strassner <[e-mail]>; Aldo
> Basile <[e-mail]>; Roman Danyliw <[e-mail]>
> *Subject:* Re: Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities
> Information Model Draft
>
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
>
>
> Before you go for it, let me share with you some reflections on the state
> of the draft, in the spirit of what I replied to Eric Vyncke.
>
>
>
> I must confess there has been a combination of events that made me think
> the best solution was to leave this draft to fade away. First, I was not
> (have not been yet) able to find a solution to most of Roman’s comments
> without totally rewriting most, if not all, of the document.  Second, the
> fact that the capability data model was evolving in a quite reasonable and
> pragmatic way, including running code at the hackathons, following the
> spirit of the initial work in the information model, but not attempting to
> align with its most recent evolution. If I have not shared this position
> before is because I have been looking for a way to make the idea of
> bridging capability declarations and security policy statements at the
> I2NSF controller viable, and I was hoping to find such a way by reusing
> part of the capability info model draft.
>
>
>
> As I told Eric, I believe the current capability model has a powerful
> (though probably not yet complete) calculus for policy description and
> validation, but not directly related to the management mechanisms addressed
> in the capability data model and the other data models produced in I2NSF. I
> believe there is an opportunity for accomplishing policy-capability
> bridging, using as foundation the current capability model, though it seems
> to me that this task would require some time to consolidate and therefore
> imply an extension of the I2NSF lifetime. I would like to know your
> position(*) about such an extension,  that could also become an opportunity
> to work in other matters related to attestation (in the light of the work
> in RATS and the MUD initiative within the Ops Area) and accounting.
>
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> Be goode,
>
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>
> (*) I assume you are in favor, Paul. But I’d like to get Linda’s, Yoav’s
> and Roman’s ideas, as well as the availability to work on this from Frank,
> John and Aldo.
>
>
>
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> "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno"
>
>
>
> Dr Diego R. Lopez
>
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> On 17/09/2020, 01:42, "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
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> Hi Linda,
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> I will address our AD Roman's comments on this NSFs capabilities
> information draft as the 2nd editor through the collaboration with Frank
> (the 1st editor) and the other authors.
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> I CC our AD Roman and the other authors, such as John and Cataldo.
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> Thanks for your support and guidance.
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> Best Regards,
>
> Paul
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> 2020년 9월 17일 (목) 오전 3:44, Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>님이 작성:
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> Paul,
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> Thank you very much for offering to address the AD comments to this draft.
> Looks like the current authors are too busy to address those comments. It
> has been over a year since the AD comments were given.  We need to move the
> draft forward. Therefore, I2NSF chairs have authorized you to be one of the
> editors to address the AD comments and revise the draft.
>
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> Thank you very much.
>
>
>
> Linda & Yoav
>
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> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[e-mail]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:09 AM
> *To:* Xialiang (Frank) <[e-mail]>
> *Cc:* Linda Dunbar <[e-mail]>; Yoav Nir <
> [e-mail]>; DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA <[e-mail]>;
> Jaehoon Jeong <[e-mail]>
> *Subject:* Offer for Revision Help for I2NSF NSFs Capabilities
> Information Model Draft
>
>
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> Could I help you to revise your information model draft for our AD Roman
> Danyliw's review comments  as a co-editor?
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2nsf-capability/?include_text=1
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> As you know, I have finished our I2NSF data model drafts.
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> I am happy to work on the revision with you in order to complete our I2NSF
> deliverables.
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> Thanks.
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> Best Regards,
>
> Paul
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