Re: [idn] I-D ACTION:draft-jseng-idn-admin-01.txt

[Paul Hoffman / IMC <[e-mail]>]

At 3:07 PM +0900 10/31/02, Martin Duerst wrote:
>Can you (or somebody else) tell us where the right place is?

The right place should be [e-mail]. I say "should" because that 
is the proper forum, not because I am suggesting that you take this 
debate there. It has been discussed repeatedly there, with no 
resolution. You could bring it there, of course; if you do, it would 
be polite if you read the archives first. Note that being polite is 
at all a proven requirement for the IETF discussion list...

>Also, it seems that this WG has a much clearer need than many/
>most WGs on this issue,

It is, as far as I can tell, the *only* WG that has any need. The 
other value of UTF-8 Internet Drafts is that document authors can 
spell their names correctly. (For those not following closely, Martin 
actually does not have a "ue" in his last name, and Patrik actually 
does not have either an "a" or an "o" in his last name.)

>  and so it may be helpful to document
>that need clearly enough as a need of the WG, rather than as
>an idea of some individuals.

Well, you have to define "need". It might be difficult to do 
U+xxxx-to-visual mapping for the draft in question, but is that 
really a "need"? It is rude for you and Patrik and many others to 
have to misspell your name in the documents you write, but is that 
really a "need"? Needs and desires are quite different things.

My suggestion is that you simply write up a carefully-scoped Internet 
Draft on the topic and submit it. Be sure to have a mailing list for 
the draft, and be sure to invite at least a few ADs to the list early 
on. Starting a "discussion" on the IETF mailing list is 99.9% assured 
to go nowhere without an Internet Draft behind it. With an Internet 
Draft, you have a greater chance of success.

--Paul Hoffman, Director
--Internet Mail Consortium