[Idr] Re: RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-idr-sdwan-edge-discovery-22
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To: Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>, "idr-chairs@ietf.org" <idr-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-idr-sdwan-edge-discovery.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-sdwan-edge-discovery.all@ietf.org>
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Alvaro: Thank you for your review. Please see my inline comments below to your major points. Prior to responding to individual inline items, I would like clarity on the major points. See my inline comments on the major points. My understanding from the text is the following is your editorial mechanism: [1]Nits – means a NIT. Do you require the NITs to be adjusted according to your English definitions or are “nits” truly NITs? [minor] – minor [major] - is a major comment. How do I differentiate which of your major comments go with numbers 1-5. How do I find where you consider something inconsistent? 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Alvaro. ================= Document: draft-ietf-idr-sdwan-edge-discovery-22 Reviewer: Alvaro Retana Review Date: April 3, 2025 Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: I have significant concerns about this document. It needs more work before being submitted to the IESG. Comments: Please see inline comments/questions below. (1) What is the purpose of this document? Both companion drafts (draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage and draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-statement) were returned by the IESG, asking this question, so I want to start there. Given the existence of the other two drafts and the fact that this document is a product of the idr WG, its purpose should be to define BGP extensions based on rfc9012 (and the new NLRI). That's it! Some parts don't belong in this document but can be referenced (not copied or paraphrased). Specifically, the companion documents can be used as references that talk about SD-WAN in general, the topologies, etc. It is unnecessary for all that to also exist in this draft. Note that this is the approach taken in rfc9012: it doesn't specifically go into sample topologies or applications of the different tunnel types. Also, this document contains mentions, descriptions, and specifications related to the data plane. Being a BGP document, those don't belong here either. Compared with rfc9012, it sometimes explains how to form an encapsulation header (see §3.1.1, for example), but it does not go into the behavior of the data plane itself. It may not be possible to describe an encapsulation header in this document, but that is as far into the data plane as it should go. [While a significant amount of text doesn't belong on this document, I still provided comments inline.] [Sue]: Please review the previous RTG-DIR review by Ketan (see below). In addition, Ketan specifically asked for a new format (see item Editorial in his review) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-idr-sdwan-edge-discovery-18-rtgdir-early-talaulikar-2024-11-01/ [Ketan quote]: “1) The relationship of this document with the Informational document draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage is not clear. I see a lot of overlap. I get the impression that the BESS document is the one that describes a BGP-based SD-WAN solution framework (albiet it also ventures into some BGP encoding aspects). The v12 of this document referenced the BESS document but was later removed. Note: the IESG returned the BESS document to the WG with several issues raised - many of them seem applicable to this document as well. 2) There are no references to any SD-WAN specifications - I believe this is done at MEF? I was not able to find an IETF informational document other than the BESS document in (1).” So, I have two RTG-DIR reviews – with opposite viewpoints on the explanatory text. One from a past AD and one from the current AD. * As to the BESS document, I have advised the authors to remove sections that overlapped with the NLRI definition. Please review the current WG document. * As to the RTGWG, the IESG review (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-statement/ballot/) states the issue was requirements in a use case document. If I will glad to make the changes to the explanation section or remove, if I get a confirmation from RTG-AD (Ketan) on exactly what needs to be in the document. (2) rfc9012 rfc9012 does a very good job specifying the framework for the Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute as related to different tunnel types. This document should focus on the extension and any differences. To be specific, this document should define the new TLVs. Any error handling (for example) that is the same as what rfc9012 already specifies should Not be redefined or paraphrased. A general statement that the procedures specified in rfc9012 are followed should be enough (for the NLRIs specified in rfc9012, and the new one specified here). Look for "per [RFC9012]". [Sue-1]: Are you concerned about section 1 and 2 or sections 3-7. If you are specifying the link to [RFC9012] related information, please see IDR wiki at: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/idr/TEA-templates Due to “looseness” in the [RFC9012], these templates/guidelines were agreed upon the IDR chairs. Section 3 was rewritten to follow this format including error handling. Section 4 provides manageability issues (operations) for security + routing. Section 5 security considerations. If you believe there is duplication for procedures specified in [RFC9012] and the additional considerations in the IDR wiki, please be specific. If you are simply concerned about sections 1 and 2, please let me know. If you object to paragraphs 4 and 5 in 3.6.1, please note that this was added to address an issue raised by reviewers. However, if I can get an agreement with RTG-DIR review (required for publication) and the Current AD – then I will remove it. (3) Secure Connection The requirement for a "secure connection" between BGP Peers is first mentioned in the Introduction but is not properly described anywhere. The text also uses "secure link", which creates confusion with the "SD-WAN Secure Links" use case -- this terminology is what is used in the Security Considerations section (see more there). There are also a couple of mentions of "secure transport" and even "secure transport connection". Besides not clearly explaining the expectations of a "secure connection", the consequences of not having one are also not explained. Some related text is present in the Security Considerations, but I would say not enough to enforce a "secure connection" in every deployment. [Sue-1:] The Text in introduction states the secure connection is “outside the scope of this specification.” The phrase secure connection or secure connections occurs in the introduction (paragraph 3), section 2.2.3 (paragraph 1 and 2), section 2.4 (step 1), and section 3.2. So, what do you suggest to resolve this issue: 1. Definition of secure connection in the definition – any type of tunnel (logical or physical connection) between RR and the BGP peer? 2. Definition of secure transport – as TLS or DTLS or the equivalent. (4) Consistency The many ways of referring to a "secure connection" is just one example of the lack of consistency throughout the document. There is inconsistency concerning the terminology in other documents (rfc4271, for example) and the use of terms and names defined in this document. I made a significant number of related comments inline. [Sue}: How do I detect what you consider an inconsistent comment. (5) Normative Text I ask several times about text needing to be Normative even in light of the recent IESG statement because, IMO, Normative language can clarify the text...and you're already using similar language (must instead of MUST, for example). https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/statement-iesg-statement-on-clarifying-the-use-of-bcp-14-key-words/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=datatracker.ietf.org&t=h.eJxFzkFuwyAQBdCrRKw7xrg4mKxylTEMNjKGCLCiJOrda7rp8s-X3vwPO3Jgtwtba32UG-cWK9aMZqPceaquS3nhNhlezjvtFCt4Kgv8xxTBBMzevXxcoK4ERyFIDmbzACFhoxc8U7aFs68L29qzSPVkRT9OVy0GXlbMVO7RvtfOpJ3bwY5OaXWdSfcOLcpJ6FlIjaNSRhoulPxWolfT2MlBCSmnRlOjT6lixL_t92VHHxrZanvW8Qjh5xeEF04z.MEYCIQC1t7aXfCqn5_7rxn1KmcgZj1AQ3zcTXJGO0p6mMYiabgIhAOxmwYqbJopWsIG7ioVURqQDQytiKvEXS9i_dbD-SLQC> [Line numbers from idnits.] ... 14 BGP UPDATE for SD-WAN Edge Discovery 15 draft-ietf-idr-sdwan-edge-discovery-22 17 Abstract 19 The document describes the BGP mechanisms for SD-WAN edge node 20 property discovery. These mechanisms include a new tunnel type and 21 subTLVs for the BGP Tunnel-Encapsulation Attribute (RFC9012) and set 22 of NLRI (network layer reachability information) for Software-Defined 23 Wide-Area Network (SD-WAN) underlay information. [nit] "property discovery" ?? The rest of the document talks about "discovery", not "property discovery". What is "property discovery"?? [Sue]: “property discovery” – is when the BGP Peer discovers the property of the node. Can you tell me what is the problem [nit] The document uses both "subTLV" and "sub-TLV", please settle on one. IMHO, "sub-TLV" seems the better choice. [nit] The expansion of SD-WAN is not the first occurrence. 25 In the context of this document, BGP Route Reflector (RR) is the 26 component of the SD-WAN Controller that receives the BGP UPDATE from 27 SD-WAN edges and in turns propagates the information to the intended 28 peers that are authorized to communicate via the SD-WAN overlay 29 network. [] I hope this will be clarified later, but in general a RR "receives the BGP UPDATE...and in turns propagates the information to the intended peers that are authorized..." (for some value of "authorized"). IOW, the text is not wrong, it just seems to state the obvious. [nit] s/in turns/in turn ... 138 1. Introduction 140 BGP [RFC4271] can be used as a control plane for a Software Defined 141 Wide Area Network (SD-WAN) to support Secure VPNs or simply to 142 support a set of Secure links in a network. A brief definition of 143 these two use cases is given in this section. Section 2 describes 144 the BGP framework in terms of NLRIs supported, example topologies, 145 and objectives for the BGP mechanisms. Section 3 describes the BGP 146 mechanisms, and section 4 describes error handling for this 147 mechanism. [nit] s/definition/description [minor] §4 is titled "Manageability Considerations", which I can see how it could be interpreted as "error handling". But §3.6 (Error handling) seems to fit the description ("error handling for this mechanism"). 149 The BGP mechanisms for SD-WAN support requires a route reflector (RR) 150 to have a secure connection to each BGP Peer participating in the BGP 151 infrastructure support the SD-WAN. The establishiment of a secure 152 connection between each BGP Peer and the RR is outside the scope of 153 this specification. [nit] s/support the SD-WAN/supporting the SD-WAN [nit] s/establishiment/establishment [major] "requires...a secure connection...establishiment (sic) of a secure connection...is<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=connection..is&t=h.eJwVzEEOgyAQAMCvGM4NuHRxwZNfQUAlRWgUL23698p5kvmy60hs7NhW63sUwpWcg6uxZM55PNmjY6_GOdRyrNArPRiQ4tzsEc4p-8_GXdmFl14tZGiYg-kX6y1qMDOgsYrIoRNA-CToSSuOkgBRtzq0-p6qzZbHUJdp3W1MrWzsb85XSr8_RCYxBg.MEQCID4BeNmHjKw362tPYtWHK7AwUxnd6KMaY_lz3zGi05FyAiAyC2pm44XMJB9EuGLQs4y4s-TAdYESjdYoVQsRTLWdkQ> outside the scope of this specification." A "secure connection" is not properly described anywhere. The text also uses "secure link", which creates confusion with the "SD-WAN Secure Links" use case -- this terminology is what is used in the Security Considerations section (see more there). There are also a couple of mentions of "secure transport" and even "secure transport connection". Please be consistent! 155 This document describes the BGP mechanisms for an SD-WAN edge nodes 156 to established a BGP peering with other SD-WAN edge nodes, and pass 157 information in order to establish and update secure overlay tunnels 158 [Net2Cloud]. These mechanisms include a new tunnel type and subTLVs 159 for the BGP Tunnel-Encapsulation Attribute [RFC9012] and a set NLRIs 160 for SD-WAN underlay information. [nit] s/for an SD-WAN edge nodes/for SD-WAN edge nodes [minor] [Net2Cloud] doesn't contain the phrase "secure overlay tunnels". However, it's interesting that the same document says (in §7 - Security Considerations): Solution drafts resulting from this work will address security concerns inherent to the solution(s), including both protocol aspects and the importance, for example, of securing workloads in cloud DCs and the use of secure interconnection mechanisms. A full security evaluation will be needed before [MULTI-SEG-SDWAN] and [SDWAN-EDGE-DISCOVERY] can be recommended as a solution to some problems described in this document. I don't think this document includes a "full security evaluation". [nit] s/a set NLRIs/a set of NLRIs 162 1.1. SD-WAN Secure L3VPNs 164 A SD-WAN network defined in [MEF70.1] and [MEF70.2], refers to a 165 policy-driven network over multiple heterogeneous underlay networks 166 to get better WAN bandwidth management, visibility, and control. 167 This document refers to this network as a SD-WAN Secure L3VPNs. 168 [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE] defines the five requirements for BGP usage in an 169 SD-WAN Secure L3VPN networks and 3 scenarios for deployment. The 170 five requirements defined are the following: [minor] " A SD-WAN network defined in [MEF70.1] and [MEF70.2]...This document refers to this network as a SD-WAN Secure L3VPNs." Let me get this straight. This document uses "SD-WAN Secure L3VPNs" to refer to "SD-WAN". If so, what are "SD-WAN Secure Links"? Are they "secure links" in "SD-WAN Secure L3VPNs"? Which sounds redundant: "Secure L3VPNs with Secure Links". Note that there are a lot of uses of "SD-WAN" by itself... I hope the terminology is better defined elsewhere, but I haven't found where... [nit] s/in an SD-WAN Secure L3VPN networks/in an SD-WAN Secure L3VPN network [major] "[SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE] defines the five requirements for BGP usage" First of all, the bullets listed below are an oversimplification of the text in §3.1/SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE. Second, the requirements in SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE are not only about "BGP usage" (control plane), but also about the data plane (traffic segmentation), and other non-related items (such as ZTP). Note that the summary of the requirements makes the text more complex (and incomplete). Simply reference SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE and, if applicable, highlight any BGP-specific requirements. 172 * Support for SD-WAN segmentation - that allows edge noded connected 173 over tunnels to support VPNs. [nit] s/noded/nodes 175 - These VPNs can be MPLS VPNS ([RFC4364],[RFC4659] with VRFs, 176 MPLS L2VPN [RFC4761], [RFC4762], L3VPN [RFC4364][RFC4659], or 177 IPsec tunnels. [nit] The parenthesis is not closed. 179 * Support for Client Services interfaces on edge nodes (e.g. SD-WAN 180 UNI [MEF70.1]), 182 * WD-WAN Traffic Segmentation, 184 * Zero Touch Provisioning, and 185 * Constrained Propagation of SD-WAN Edge Properities by BGP 186 infrastructure using a Route Reflector. 188 [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE] describes the three scenarios for SD-WAN networks 189 comprised of a mixture of tunnels over private and public networks: [] As above, the scenarios (as described here) are orthogonal to the use of BGP as the characteristics are data plane-specific. 191 * Homogeneous Encrypted SD-WAN - where edge nodes encrypt data prior 192 to entering the SD-WAN, 194 * Differential Encrypted SD-WAN - where edge nodes encrypt traffic 195 traversing public networks, but do not encrypt traffic over 196 private secure networks, 198 * Private VPN PE based SD-WAN - where an existing private VPN is 199 expanded by adding extra ports over the public internet. 201 [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE] provides descriptions on the use of SD-WAN 202 technology for L3VPNS, the provisioning of SD-WAN nodes, and example 203 BGP topologie and SD-WAN forwarding mechanisms. This document 204 assumes the reader is familar with SD-WAN use case described in 205 [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE]. [nit] s/topologie/topologies [nit] s/familar with SD-WAN use case/familiar with the SD-WAN use cases 207 1.2. SD-WAN Secure Links ... 216 The traffic is routed via normal IP v4/v6 forwarding without any VPN 217 addition. The SD-WAN Secure Links provides some link security for 218 some simple cases of the three scenarios from [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE] that 219 do not require L3VPN addresses (RD, prefix). [nit] s/ IP v4/v6 / IPv4/IPv6 /g [] The Introduction said that this section presents a "brief definition of these two use cases", but it seems to me that "SD-WAN Secure Links" is not a different use case... I may of course be confused already. 221 1.3. Conventions used in this document 223 The following acronyms and terms are used in this document: 225 Authorized BGP peer: Authorized BGP peer are Peers which a 226 particular BGP Peer has been configured by local policy to connect 227 to. [] IOW, what every other document would call a "BGP Peer". Note that this term is only used one more time in this document (§2.3) coupled with discovery, which, to me, is different that "configured". 229 Cloud DC: Off-Premises Data Centers that usually host applications 230 and workload owned by different organizations or tenants. [major] Some of the definitions are different from the ones in related drafts. For example, "Cloud DC" has a slightly different definition in draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-statement. I recommend that you only define the terms once and then reference them. [nit] s/workload/workloads 232 Color-EC: Color Extended Community defined in [RFC9012]. [major] Please don't make up unnecessary terms. Using the name used in rfc9012 keeps terminology in sync through out all the RFCs. 234 Controller: Used interchangeably with SD-WAN controller to manage 235 SD-WAN overlay path creation/deletion and monitor the path 236 conditions between sites. [major] The definition in draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage is different. 238 CPE (or C-PE): Customer (Edge) Premises Equipment. Please note that 239 these two forms are equivalent in this document. C-PE is used to 240 emphasize the web of Provider Equipment devices. [major] These terms are defined separately in draft-ietf-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage. For the purpose of these documents, it looks like C-PE is the relevant term. ... 246 Encap-EC: Encapsulation Extended Community defined in [RFC9012]. [major] Please don't make up unnecessary terms. Using the name used in rfc9012 keeps terminology in sync through out all the RFCs. 248 IPsec-SA: IPsec Security Association. [] Reference? 250 MP-NLRI: Multi-Protocol Network Layer Reachability Information 251 (MP_REACH_NLRI) Path Attribute defined in [RFC4760]. [major] Please don't make up unnecessary terms. Using the name used in rfc4760 keeps terminology in sync through out all the RFCs. 253 RR: Route Reflector [RFC4456] [minor] There's no need to define a term for a well-known names (which are also expended inline). 255 RT-EC: Route Target Extended Community [RFC4360] [major] Please don't make up unnecessary terms. Using the name used in rfc4360 keeps terminology in sync through out all the RFCs. 257 SA: IPsec Security Association [major] Hmmm... IPsec-SA and SA are the same thing? 259 SD-WAN: An overlay connectivity service that optimizes transport of 260 IP Packets over one or more Underlay Connectivity Services by 261 recognizing applications (Application Flows) and determining 262 forwarding behavior by applying Policies to them. [MEF-70.1][MEF- 263 70.2] [major] This term is defined elsewhere. In general, instead of repeating terms and paraphrasing definitions, indicate which terminology the reader should be familiar with. 265 SD-WAN Endpoint: can be the SD-WAN edge node address, a WAN port 266 address (logical or physical) of a SD-WAN edge node, or a client 267 port address. [major] This term is not used anywhere in the document. Endpoint seems to only be associated with tunnel... 269 SD-WAN Hybrid tunnel: A single logical tunnel that combines several 270 links of different encapsulation iinto a single tunnel. This 271 logical tunnel may exist as part of a SD-WAN Secure L3VPN or 272 simply be a SD-WAN secure link for a flat network. [nit] s/iinto/into 274 SD-WAN Secure L3VPN: The mesh of SD-WAN secure tunnels that support 275 the uses cases defined by [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE] and [MEF- 276 70.1][MEF70.2]. BGP transmits information about SD-WAN Hybrid 277 tunnels in the SD-WAN Secure L3VPN network by sending L3VPN AFI/ 278 SAFI with a TEA with a tunnel type of SD WAN Hybrid Tunnel. 279 Information about the IPsec Security Association (IPsec-SA) for 280 the SD-WAN underlay for these SD WAN Hybrid tunnels is passed in 281 the SD-WAN NLRI (AFI 1/74) with a TEA with SD-WAN Hybrid Tunnel. 283 This document defines the BGP mechanisms for the SD-WAN Secure 284 L3VPN, but the [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE] defines the requirements, 285 scenarios, provisioning model, examples of normal BGP flows, and 286 SD-WAN forwarding. [] No need to define a term for the use case... 288 SD-WAN Secure Links: A mesh of SD-WAN Hybrid tunnels may connect 289 several SD-WAN edge nodes in a flat (non-VPN) network. The SD-WAN 290 Secure Links use case does not support VPN identification, and 291 applies only a simple creation of secure link with support for 292 passing IPsec-SA information regarding the SD-WAN Hybrid Tunnel. 293 BGP sends a Unicast v4/v6 NLRI (AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1) with a TEA 294 for a SD-WAN Hybrid tunnel to announce the existance of the link. 295 Information about the IPsec Security Association (IPsec-SA) for 296 the SD-WAN underlay for these SD WAN Hybrid tunnels is passed in 297 the SD-WAN NLRIs (AFI/SAFI 1/74 and 2/74) with a TEA with SD-WAN 298 Hybrid Tunnel [] Same comment. 300 TEA: Tunnel Encapsulation Path Attribute [RFC9012] [major] Please don't make up unnecessary terms. Using the name used in rfc9012 keeps terminology in sync through out all the RFCs. 302 VPN: Virtual Private Network [minor] There's no need to define a term for a well-known names (which are also expended inline). 304 VRF: VPN Routing and Forwarding instance [minor] There's no need to define a term for a well-known names (which should also be expended inline). 306 WAN: Wide Area Network [minor] There's no need to define a term for a well-known names (which should also be expended inline). .. 317 2.1. Supported Client Routes 319 Tunnel Encapsulation may be attached to the prefixes from the Unicast 320 v4 and v6 ((AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1), and L3VPNs for v4 and v6 (AFI/SAFI 321 1/128 and 2/128) (per [RFC4364], [RFC4659]). [major] s/Tunnel Encapsulation/The Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute [RFC9012] [nit] s/v4 and v6/IPv4 and IPv6/g [major] The statement is about the use of the Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute is false, in general. It may be what this specification expects (when used with a specific tunnel type or NLRI) -- if so, please be explicit. 323 The document defines SD-WAN Secure L3VPN as the SD-WAN Secure VPN 324 defined in [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE], [MEF-70.1], and [MEF70.2]. The SD-WAN 325 Secure L3VPN requires the L3VPN for IPv4 [RFC4364] and IPv6 [RFC4659] 326 to be expanded to support SD-WAN Hybrid Tunnels and the passages of 327 IPsec-SA information for the underlay tunnels that support SD-WAN 328 Secure L3VPN. [] "The document defines SD-WAN Secure L3VPN as the SD-WAN Secure VPN defined in [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE], [MEF-70.1], and [MEF70.2]." One more definition for "SD-WAN Secure L3VPN"... [] "requires the L3VPN for IPv4 [RFC4364] and IPv6 [RFC4659] to be expanded to support SD-WAN Hybrid Tunnels" This wasn't listed when the requirements were mentioned (§1.1). 330 This document defines the SD-WAN Secure Links as links in network 331 that uses SD-WAN tunnels to create secure Hybrid SD-WAN tunnels 332 between SD-WAN End Nodes. The SD-WAN Secure Links application does 333 not support identification of a VPN via L3VPN NLRI. The SD-WAN end 334 node uses BGP to pass Unicast v4/v6 prefixes ((AFI/SAFI 1/1 and 2/1) 335 routes with TEA with a SD-WAN Hybrid tunnel TLV. The SD-WAN secure 336 links application also passes the IPSec-SA information for the 337 underlay tunnels in BGP. [] One more definition... [nit] s/via L3VPN NLRI/via the L3VPN NLRI [minor] Add a reference to "TEA with a SD-WAN Hybrid tunnel TLV". ... 348 2.2.1. SD-WAN Secure L3VPN Example Topology 350 This section summarizes the BGP requirements from the following three 351 scenarios from [SD-WAN-BGP-USAGE] can be handled by a BGP control 352 plane using BGP Tunnel-Encapsulation attribute [RFC9012]: [nit] s/summarizes the BGP requirements...using BGP Tunnel-Encapsulation attribute/summarizes how the BGP requirements...using the BGP Tunnel Encapsulation attribute 354 * Homogeneous Encrypted SD-WAN, 356 * Differential Encrypted SD-WAN, and 358 * Private VPN PE based SD-WAN. [] §1.1 listed 5 requirements... [] Also, these seem to be data plane requirements, not "BGP requirements". IOW, I understand how BGP can be used to carry the information to achieve the final goal...but the requirements don't seem specific to the use of BGP
- [Idr] RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-idr-sdwan-e… Alvaro Retana
- [Idr] Re: RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-idr-sdw… Susan Hares
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- [Idr] Re: RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-idr-sdw… Alvaro Retana
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- [Idr] Re: RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-idr-sdw… Linda Dunbar
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- [Idr] Re: RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-idr-sdw… Linda Dunbar
- [Idr] Re: RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-idr-sdw… Linda Dunbar
- [Idr] Re: RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-idr-sdw… Linda Dunbar
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