Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-00.txt

"John G. Scudder" <jgs@juniper.net> Tue, 27 September 2016 14:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-00.txt
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On Sep 27, 2016, at 5:43 AM, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
> 
> More generally, and perhaps being picky,
> draft-ietf-idr-large-community-00.txt
> is not the I-D which the WG agreed to adopt!  The convention I like is
> that when a WG adopts an I-D, then the only change is to the title
> because that is the text which has been adopted. 

For what it's worth, one of the changes was specifically requested and anounced by the chairs:

"Authors, please remove the code point from the draft and resubmit as draft-ietf-idr-large-community."

I take your point regarding the other changes, and perhaps we will make it a practice in future to explicitly request authors submit verbatim the text that was approved for adoption. I personally don't see this as a big problem though (and probably you don't either or else you wouldn't have referred to it as "being picky") since the mailing list archive and document history tells an accurate story and of course the working group can choose to roll back any changes that don't reflect consensus.

Thanks,

--John