Re: [Idr] [GROW] BGP Looking Glass Capability

"Rayhaan Jaufeerally (IETF)" <ietf@rayhaan.ch> Sun, 25 April 2021 23:24 UTC

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From: "Rayhaan Jaufeerally (IETF)" <ietf@rayhaan.ch>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 01:24:32 +0200
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To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] [GROW] BGP Looking Glass Capability
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Thanks for the history Robert, I should have read the authors list more
closely on that draft :)

>From that description it seems that it was more circumstances at the time
rather than push back on the implementation itself which is good news for
trying to revive it,

I'll try and rework the draft to use the operational message and see which
common parts are useful here, then reply to the list / IDR with the updated
draft,

Cheers,
Rayhaan

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 12:48 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote:

> Hi Rayhaan,
>
>
>> I guess a good starting point would be to reach out to IDR folks /
>> authors of the operational message draft and get their input as to why it
>> didn't progress further since that would be useful to guide any revival
>> attempts.
>>
>
> Good idea. As I am co-author of this draft taking the liberty to do it
> right here :)
>
> A bit of history  - in min 2010 I wrote
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-bgp-diagnostic-message-00.
>
> Then we spoke about it, trimmed a bit and formed what we considered most
> important operationally into
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00
>
> The draft was having good support during the IDR WG adoption and hence it
> became WG doc.
>
> Since then most of the authors left the vendor world and our influence to
> implement it in significant commercial BGP code bases was no longer
> sufficient. Yet vendors told we will implement it if customers ask for it.
> So we are 9+ years and still I am not sure if anyone cares much about
> switching phone and email channels between NOCs into more programmatic way.
>
> Yet we do see from time to time a pop request to some form to tell peer
> ascii strings like sms by BGP, pass some well known address, etc ...
>
> I think this is the fundamental challenge in how we operate peering
> relations. I have seen a lot of good automation happening in the IX world,
> but when trying to establish BGP sessions today it seems still emails, xls,
> word documents style ...
>
> While it does not need to be all TLVs as listed in the
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-operational-message-00 draft
> but I think operational message is indeed needed.
>
> Cheers,
> R.
>
>

Re: [Idr] [GROW] BGP Looking Glass Capability Robert Raszuk
Re: [Idr] [GROW] BGP Looking Glass Capability Rayhaan Jaufeerally (IETF)
Re: [Idr] [GROW] BGP Looking Glass Capability Gyan Mishra
Re: [Idr] [GROW] BGP Looking Glass Capability Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
Re: [Idr] [GROW] BGP Looking Glass Capability Gyan Mishra
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