Re: [ietf-dkim] [dmarc-ietf] a slightly less kludge alternative to draft-kucherawy-dmarc-rcpts

"John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Tue, 22 November 2016 16:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] [dmarc-ietf] a slightly less kludge alternative to draft-kucherawy-dmarc-rcpts
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>> I'm with Murray -- why is this a problem?  Single recipient has been
>> the de-facto standard for years, and unless you are extremely
>> bandwidth constrained, it's faster.
>
> No, it's not faster, see my answer to Murray. It's wasting a lot of 
> ressources.

People who've measured say the elapsed time is faster, and the extra bytes 
on the wire don't matter.  This is an old argument, and not one you're 
going to win.

> John, did you read my email? The whole text is about how the leakage of the 
> BCCs can be prevented and the feature of a multi-recipient email be 
> preserved. If you see an error in the algorithm, please explain.

See previous messages, particularly the ones from Ned Freed.  Any sort of 
multi-recipient signing is subject to guessing attacks.

This isn't saying that signing the recipient is a good idea, but signing 
them individually is no worse than signing them together and avoids the 
leakage.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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