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Re: [Ietf-dkim] Proposals for tolerating mailing list modifications

Wei Chuang <weihaw@google.com> Sun, 06 August 2023 20:46 UTC

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From: Wei Chuang <weihaw@google.com>
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2023 13:46:20 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-dkim] Proposals for tolerating mailing list modifications
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On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 9:15 AM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:

>
> On 8/5/23 9:05 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 2:46 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, for starters ARC doesn't have broad deployment. But the author
>> doesn't say why ARC is needed or relevant. That is the point here. *All*
>> changes need to be justified including any imported mechanisms. The less
>> rat holes the better. Same with the mailing list modification draft. Why is
>> that even relevant?
>>
>
> With respect to ARC: There's a difference between asking for justification
> and demanding that the discussion be stopped before it even starts.  One of
> those is not okay.
>
> Ok, justify it. Even the author says ARC brings nothing to the table. That
> is not OK. Peddle the ARC agenda in a more appropriate venue.
>
We see a fair amount of important traffic carrying ARC headers, and we use
ARC negative assertions all the time.  It's the positive assertions that
have a trust issue and folks in M3AAWG have a work stream to tackle that.
Moreover the two proposed I-D don't need that trust anyways.

-Wei

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