Re: Language Subtag Registration
John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> Fri, 30 October 2015 16:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: Language Subtag Registration
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Peter Constable scripsit: > Kent, it seems to me that that would make the meaning of the subtag > completely opaque, determined solely in a private context. In that case, > a private-use tag would suffice. I don't see that a tag "simple" would be opaque, just because there is no single precise definition of it. There is no single precise definition of "en-us" either. >From Lytton Strachey's _Eminent Victorians_: The members of the English Church had ingenuously imagined up to that moment that it was possible to contain in a frame of words the subtle essence of their complicated doctrinal system, involving the mysteries of the Eternal and the Infinite on the one hand, and the elaborate adjustments of temporal government on the other. They did not understand that verbal definitions in such a case will only perform their functions so long as there is no dispute about the matters which they are intended to define: that is to say, so long as there is no need for them. For generations this had been the case with the Thirty-nine Articles. Their drift was clear enough; and nobody bothered over their exact meaning. But directly someone found it important to give them a new and untraditional interpretation, it appeared that they were a mass of ambiguity, and might be twisted into meaning very nearly anything that anybody liked. So it is with language tags: their drift is clear enough, and it is not necessary to know their exact meaning. People who are going to abuse them will do so anyway, whatever we say or do to try and stop them. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Sound change operates regularly to produce irregularities; analogy operates irregularly to produce regularities. --E.H. Sturtevant, ca. 1945, probably at Yale
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- Re: Language Subtag Registration John Cowan
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- RE: Language Subtag Registration Peter Constable
- Re: Language Subtag Registration John Cowan
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- RE: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Language Subtag Registration John Cowan
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Language Subtag Registration John Cowan
- RE: Language Subtag Registration Peter Constable
- RE: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- RE: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Mark Davis ☕️
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- Re: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Cornu English: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Felix Sasaki
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Cornu English: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Felix Sasaki
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Kent Karlsson
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Kent Karlsson
- RE: Language Subtag Registration Peter Constable
- Re: Language Subtag Registration John Cowan
- RE: Language Subtag Registration Phillips, Addison
- Re: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Simple: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration David Starner
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration John Cowan
- RE: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Peter Constable
- RE: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Peter Constable
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration John Cowan
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Kent Karlsson
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Kent Karlsson
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration John Cowan
- RE: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Kent Karlsson
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Simple: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Kent Karlsson
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration John Cowan
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Luc Pardon
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Kent Karlsson
- RE: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Doug Ewell
- Re: Simple: Language Subtag Registration Michael Everson
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