Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP relaying
John Leslie <john@jlc.net> Thu, 16 June 2005 20:32 UTC
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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:20:47 -0400
From: John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
To: Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu>
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Subject: Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP relaying
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Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu> wrote: > > Some of you may not be aware (especially if you're not subscribed to the > IETF list) that there's a document in Last Call for BCP, > draft-hutzler-spamops-04, that makes recommendations for submission of > mail and relaying of mail between mail networks. > > I don't believe that this document is written with either adequate > precision or accuracy, and frankly I didn't see any easy way to fix it > by making small changes to the text. So n an attempt to produce better > language, I wrote my own draft of a document with similar scope, which > can be accessed at > > http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/opinions/email-submission-recommendations.html I'm hesitant to spend much effort discussing until we have some idea whether the IESG is inclined to approve draft-hutzler-spamops as it stands. Nonetheless, I have recently noticed that RFC2476 (Message Submission) is being updated. Specifically, an I-D has been approved by the IESG and forwarded to the rfc-editor: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gellens-submit-bis-02.txt I strongly recommend that folks read this carefully. Hopefully, nothing we might agree on will conflict with this RFC-to-be. Alas, some folks have been posting things which strike me as not fully consistent with the terminology of RFC 2476bis... -- John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
- Open relay test (was: Bounce/System Notification … Frank Ellermann
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- PRA question (was: Bounce/System Notification Add… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… ned+ietf-smtp
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Tony Finch
- Strict RFC x821/x822 Checking [Re: Bounce/System … Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… william(at)elan.net
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Matti Aarnio
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Tony Finch
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Claus Assmann
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: CBV in the real world (was Re: Bounce/System … Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Tony Finch
- Re: CBV in the real world (was Re: Bounce/System … Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Paul Smith
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: CBV in the real world (was Re: Bounce/System … Rolf E. Sonneveld
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: CBV in the real world (was Re: Bounce/System … Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: A request and a warning Frank Ellermann
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… John C Klensin
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Rolf E. Sonneveld
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Bounce/System Notification Address Verification Hector Santos
- CBV in the real world (was Re: Bounce/System Noti… Rolf E. Sonneveld
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Russ Allbery
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Russ Allbery
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re Anonymous Final Destination WAS : request disc… Willemien
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Claus Assmann
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- request discussion of two documents on SMTP relay… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Rolf E. Sonneveld
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Tony Finch
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail submi… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Tony Finch
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Tony Finch
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: A request and a warning (was: Re: Bounce/Syst… Hector Santos
- Re: A request and a warning Keith Moore
- A request and a warning (was: Re: Bounce/System N… John C Klensin
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… ned+ietf-smtp
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Keith Moore
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail submi… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail submi… Hector Santos
- Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail submi… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail submi… Hector Santos
- Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail submi… Keith Moore
- Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail submi… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail submi… Keith Moore
- Re: Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail s… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination and mail s… Willemien
- Re: Re Anonymous Final Destination WAS : request … Hector Santos
- Re: Solution to Windows Email Zombie Problem Hector Santos
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Hector Santos
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Bruce Lilly
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Hector Santos
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Hector Santos
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Paul Smith
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Paul Smith
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Paul Smith
- user interface problems (was Re: request discussi… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Frank Ellermann
- Solution to Windows Email Zombie Problem David MacQuigg
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Frank Ellermann
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Windows security (was Re: request discussion of t… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… william(at)elan.net
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Paul Smith
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Dave Crocker
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Tony Finch
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Hector Santos
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Frank Ellermann
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Hector Santos
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Frank Ellermann
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Bruce Lilly
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Bruce Lilly
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Dave Crocker
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… John Leslie
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Dave Crocker
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Tony Finch
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… ned+ietf-smtp
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Tony Finch
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Bruce Lilly
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Bruce Lilly
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Hector Santos
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Hector Santos
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Frank Ellermann
- Re: IP::DOMAIN Associations [Re: Bounce/System No… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: IP::DOMAIN Associations [Re: Bounce/System No… Robert A. Rosenberg
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: John C Klensin
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: John C Klensin
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: John C Klensin
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Hector Santos
- toplabel (was: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EH… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Paul Smith
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Matti Aarnio
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Tony Finch
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO John C Klensin
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Tony Finch
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: John C Klensin
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Matti Aarnio
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Frank Ellermann
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: John C Klensin
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO John C Klensin
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO ned+ietf-smtp
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: John C Klensin
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: IP::DOMAIN Associations [Re: Bounce/System No… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO John C Klensin
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Frank Ellermann
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- IP::DOMAIN Associations [Re: Bounce/System Notifi… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Hector Santos
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Bruce Lilly
- Re: BCP 14 a.k.a. RFC 2119 keyword meanings (Was … Keith Moore
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: BCP 14 a.k.a. RFC 2119 keyword meanings (Was … Bruce Lilly
- Re: BCP 14 a.k.a. RFC 2119 keyword meanings (Was … Keith Moore
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Frank Ellermann
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Bruce Lilly
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- BCP 14 a.k.a. RFC 2119 keyword meanings (Was spam… Bruce Lilly
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Claus Assmann
- Re: spamops-04 Bill McQuillan
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: spamops-04 (was: Bounce/System Notification A… ned+ietf-smtp
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Tony Finch
- Re: spamops-04 Keith Moore
- Re: spamops-04 Bruce Lilly
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: MAIL FROM: Hector Santos
- Re: PRA question Keith Moore
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Claus Assmann
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: spamops-04 Hector Santos
- Re: Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Claus Assmann
- Re: spamops-04 Frank Ellermann
- Strict RFC x821 Compliance: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: spamops-04 Frank Ellermann
- Strict RFC x821 Compliant: HELO/EHLO Hector Santos
- Re: spamops-04 Bill McQuillan
- Re: spamops-04 Bruce Lilly
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verificati… Valdis.Kletnieks
- Re: spamops-04 Keith Moore
- Re: spamops-04 Keith Moore
- Re: spamops-04 Frank Ellermann
- Re: spamops-04 (was: Bounce/System Notification A… Hector Santos
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: spamops-04 (was: Bounce/System Notification A… Bruce Lilly
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Bruce Lilly
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Keith Moore
- Re: request discussion of two documents on SMTP r… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Open relay test (was: Bounce/System Notificat… Hector Santos
- PRA question (was: Bounce/System Notification Add… Frank Ellermann
- spamops-04 (was: Bounce/System Notification Addre… Frank Ellermann