Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 07 August 2020 23:44 UTC
Return-Path: <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
X-Original-To: ietf-smtp@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf-smtp@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417CB3A0528 for <ietf-smtp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:44:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9PFQp9yxpN3w for <ietf-smtp@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:44:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7BD23A0522 for <ietf-smtp@ietf.org>; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:44:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88118389BE; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 19:23:53 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id PzLXb0hmvI8t; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 19:23:51 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBF7389B9; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 19:23:51 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353AE15F; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 19:44:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, ietf-smtp@ietf.org
In-Reply-To: <1cdfb5bb-f52e-5306-f74f-7d9b3f9a6c08@dcrocker.net>
References: <8484.1596674665@localhost> <1cdfb5bb-f52e-5306-f74f-7d9b3f9a6c08@dcrocker.net>
X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1
X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m<nPbLgmtKK-5dC@#:k
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 19:44:32 -0400
Message-ID: <22051.1596843872@localhost>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-smtp/_F2eG0SbvpNrNempuLlDi3LyFJY>
Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs
X-BeenThere: ietf-smtp@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Discussion of issues related to Simple Mail Transfer Protocol \(SMTP\) \[RFC 821, RFC 2821, RFC 5321\]" <ietf-smtp.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf-smtp>, <mailto:ietf-smtp-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf-smtp/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf-smtp@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-smtp-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-smtp>, <mailto:ietf-smtp-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 23:44:39 -0000
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: >> I am watching the video, and slide 17: G.7.3 resolveable domain names. >> >> I want to suggest that the *protocol* should describe: >> 1) what does it mean to resolve a domain name. > So you are suggesting that the smtp protocol specification should contain > text that is redundant with the DNS specification, rather than merely cite > it? The explicit discussion was that in some non-Internet contexts, the domain name is not from the DNS. The discussion was that this (the citing of the DNS specification, if you like, but actually there is more to it than that), should go into an applicability statement. I disagree: it should go into the base specification as a thing that software should support. The applicability statement should say "turn it on" when on the Internet. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs Michael Richardson
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs Michael Richardson
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs Michael Peddemors
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs Claus Assmann
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs Michael Peddemors
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] G.7.3 --- resolvable FQDNs John Levine