Re: individual submission Last Call -- default yes/no.

Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Sun, 09 January 2005 20:00 UTC

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From: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: individual submission Last Call -- default yes/no.
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Dave, I think that the requirements for a successful last call depend
on how much review and interest have been demonstrated before the last
call.

For example, I recently last called draft-housley-cms-fw-wrap.  It
received no last call comments.  What should I do with the draft?

Well, in that case, I knew the draft had been reviewed (and changed
based on comments) by several people in the S/MIME and security
community.  I also knew there was work on implementations and specific
customers who plan to use the standard if approved.

In my judgement as an AD, that was sufficient to justify bringing the
document to the IESG even given no support in last call.


There might very well be cases wher I'd bring a document to last call
wher I was skeptical of the utility of the standard.  I'd actually
suspect that other tools for judging sufficient support before
bringing a document to last call might be better, but last call is
certainly a tool for judging support.  In such a case, I might
conclude that no comments were insufficient support.


In conclusion, it seems like the ADs sponsoring documents have
significant latitude in this area and that is a reasonable way for
things to work.  The community can complain that a standard is useless
during last call; you can even say things like "I don't see the point;
if others don't chime in and say they would use this, please do not
publish."  In addition, the community has multiple ways of giving
feedback if they believe that there are systemic problems in the
criteria ADs are using.


--Sam

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