Re: individual submission Last Call -- default yes/no.

[Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[e-mail]>]

[note - this note does NOT talk about the language tags document]
Recent standards-track/BCP RFCs that came in as individual submisssions 
(you can tell this from the draft name in the rfc-editor.xml file):

RFC 3936 - draft-kompella-rsvp-change
RFC 3935 - draft-alvestrand-ietf-mission
RFC 3934 - draft-wasserman-rfc2418-ml-update
RFC 3915 - draft-hollenbeck-epp-rgp
RFC 3912 - draft-daigle-rfc954bis

Apart from draft-alvestrand, I don't remember any of these causing much of 
a stir at Last Call. Still, I think the decision to advance them was 
appropriate.
The usual case for an individual submission is, I think:

- there are a number of people who see a need for it
- there are a (usually far lower) number of people who are willing to work 
on it
- someone thinks that this isn't controversial enough for a WG, isn't work 
enough that the extra effort of setting up a WG is worth it, is too 
urgently needed to wait for a WG to get up to speed, or other version of 
"doesn't fit with our WG process
- nobody's significantly opposed to getting the work done

A "default no" doesn't seem like a correct procedure here.

              Harald



--On 6. januar 2005 10:48 -0800 Dave Crocker <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>    However the reason
>>   why many things come in as individual submissions is that the community
>>   doesn't care much.  
>
> I sure hope you are very, very wrong.
>
> If the community does not care much, then I do not see the purpose in
> making it an IETF standard.
>
> A standards process is primarily about gaining community support for a
> common way of doing something.
>
>
> So if the IESG is satisfied enough to put out a last
>>   call, and nobody responds -- it doesn't have community support -- the
>>   default community position shouldn't be "no" but "no objection".
>
> That's a default 'yes'.
>
> We already have a problem with producing specifications that no one uses.
> A default 'yes' on outside submissions makes it likely we will get lots
> more.
>
>
>
> d/
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