Re: US DoD and IPv6
Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv> Sun, 10 October 2010 23:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: US DoD and IPv6
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On Oct 10, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > On 10/10/2010 2:51 PM, Steve Crocker wrote: >> A compatible solution would have been better, but I don't think IPv4... -- >> were designed in a way that permitted a compatible extension. > > > Oh? > > Perhaps: > > 1. Adopt an IPv6 as Steve Deering originally designed it[1]: A basic upgrade to the IPv4 header, with more address bits, an extensibility mechanisms for adding fields later, and removal of some bits that weren't needed. > > 2. Define the IPv6 address space as the IPv4 address space, with all zeroes for the higher bits. (In other words, defer more interesting schemes until later.) > > 3. Design header translation devices to map between the two formats. > > 4. Start fielding these implementations. (That could have started by 1994 or so.) > > The "gateways" between v4 and v6 would initially be notably for having almost no work to do and of not losing any information. In particular, barely qualifies as a "dual" stack. > > With this approach, "incompatibility" between v4 and v6 would only occur when additional addresses, beyond v4's limitations, start to be assigned. > > We must deal with the current reality and make it work, but historical considerations need to factor in the ambitions that dominated during the many years of design. > > The community got ambitious in a fashion that smacked of the overreaching that is often called second system syndrome (although counting the Arpanet, this was really a third system...) Dear Dave; Not being directly involved at the time, I have always wondered this : Was it second system syndrome, or was a slowness to realize that the time to drastically change the system increased from months to (effective) infinity somewhere between 1988 and 1994 ? Regards Marshall > > d/ > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deering-sip-00 > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >
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- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Marshall Eubanks
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Ole Jacobsen
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Joel Jaeggli
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Thomas Narten
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Thomas Narten
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 RJ Atkinson
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 John C Klensin
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 TJ
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Ron Broersma
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- End to end NAT (was Re: US DoD and IPv6) Masataka Ohta
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Michael Richardson
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- RE: US DoD and IPv6 Michel Py
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 David Conrad
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- RE: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 David Conrad
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Fernando Gont
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: US DoD and IPv6 Fleischman, Eric
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Fernando Gont
- existing (and questionable) application designs [… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: existing (and questionable) application desig… Masataka Ohta
- RE: US DoD and IPv6 Michel Py
- IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) Richard L. Barnes
- Re: IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) Michel Py
- RE: IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) Michel Py
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- RE: IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) Dave Cridland
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: existing (and questionable) application desig… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 David Conrad
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: existing (and questionable) application desig… Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Steve Crocker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Ofer Inbar
- RE: US DoD and IPv6 Christian Huitema
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 John C Klensin
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Ole Jacobsen
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave Cridland
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Marshall Eubanks
- Re: IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) Dave CROCKER
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave Cridland
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave Cridland
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Sabahattin Gucukoglu
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Steve Crocker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave CROCKER
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Steve Crocker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave CROCKER
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave CROCKER
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Joel Jaeggli
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Marshall Eubanks
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave CROCKER
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave CROCKER
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave CROCKER
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Joel M. Halpern
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave CROCKER
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave CROCKER
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Dave CROCKER
- RE: US DoD and IPv6 Fleischman, Eric
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker