Re: US DoD and IPv6
TJ <trejrco@gmail.com> Fri, 01 October 2010 15:38 UTC
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From: TJ <trejrco@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 11:38:13 -0400
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Subject: Re: US DoD and IPv6
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> > A bit before then, Thomas Narten wrote: > > There are DoD networks where IPv6 is running today, > > and there certainly are networks where it is not. > > The quote above seems very precisely phrased, > and as an accidental result seems a bit misleading. > > It appears to refer to the Defense Research & Engineering Network > (DREN), which is widely reported to be dual-stack IPv4 and IPv6. > [e.g. see Ron Broersma's slides from the Google IPv6 Implementer's > Workshop] > > However, the trade press and other public sources consistently > indicate the DoD considers DREN to be "experimental" or "research", > rather than "operational" (at least for the DoD meaning of the > word 'operational'). > > One also consistently reads that the actual operational DoD backbone > (i.e. DISA's GIG-BE network) is IPv4 only, in part for security > reasons and in part for lack of any business case to do otherwise, > and that all other DoD "operational" networks are also IPv4 only. > > The DoD is forbidden from running native IPv6 operationally, per the STIGs and MO guidelines. MO1 and 2 get some IPv6 in place, in tunnels across the GIG ... MO3 will be the first step in native/operational IPv6, not even signed yet IIRC. /TJ
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- Re: US DoD and IPv6 RJ Atkinson
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 John C Klensin
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 TJ
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Ron Broersma
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
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- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Phillip Hallam-Baker
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- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Fernando Gont
- existing (and questionable) application designs [… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: existing (and questionable) application desig… Masataka Ohta
- RE: US DoD and IPv6 Michel Py
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- RE: IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) Michel Py
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- RE: IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) Dave Cridland
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: IETF-ad-hominem (Was: Re: US DoD and IPv6) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: existing (and questionable) application desig… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 David Conrad
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Masataka Ohta
- Re: existing (and questionable) application desig… Keith Moore
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Noel Chiappa
- Re: US DoD and IPv6 Steve Crocker
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- RE: US DoD and IPv6 Christian Huitema
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