When do we ask community for opinion and When we produce an RFC for the community?

Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Wed, 28 November 2012 19:35 UTC

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Subject: When do we ask community for opinion and When we produce an RFC for the community?
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> Does the community want us to push back on those situations?

I think we follow the IETF RFCs or our community amend/change the procedure
related RFCs to be practical. We may need historical RFCs to understand why
such change (the change in opinion/practices as community opinion is

> Does the community believe that the real IETF work is done on
> the mailing lists, and not in the face-to-face meetings, to
> the extent that the community would want the IESG to refuse to
> publish documents whose process went as I've described above,
> on the basis that IETF process was not properly followed?

I think the community cannot answer that question.
Overall, could we depend on asking the IETF community about something that
is against the IETF procedure and then we claim that we are following the
community. I thought we are following our approved documents or RFCs its
the communities opinion as well. If it is very easy to ask question to the
community to make a procedure then why we need RFCs? I thought that
sometimes IETF managers ask the community questions to sense the rough
consensus for purposes of guidance, not for the purpose of processing the
IETF's work flow.

I once written an RFC to update 2119 but some participants don't want that,
but still I don't beleive that I need to ask them nor the community. I will
go through procedure because I feel I have right to do so. However, once I
asked community for feedback on a draft I will write, but participants
argued why do I ask while still did not write. I do ask only to sense the
community, but still have the right to decide my volunteering work/input.

My question is when do we ask community (from participant level, or
from managerial level) and when we produce an RFC (which purpose)?

Thanking you,