Re: Running Code
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 03 March 2009 21:54 UTC
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Marc, and Henry, I think adding any new mandatory section to all I-Ds is a bad idea. It will quickly become bureaucratic. We've had proposals for mandatory Management Considerations, IPv6 Considerations, and no doubt others that I've forgotten, and they all have the same problem. However, I think it's a very good idea to offer *guidelines* for what should be in technical specifications in this area. In fact, my old commentary on RFC2026 talked about related issues concerning interoperability criteria for promotion to Draft Standard. See the comments on "4.1.2 Draft Standard" in http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-carpenter-rfc2026-practice-00.txt Obviously, the first stage in interoperability is interoperability with yourself ;-). (As far as I am concerned, you are welcome to use any of that material under RFC5378 conditions.) I encourage your draft to become purely a set of guidelines. That would be useful and non-bureaucratic. Brian On 2009-03-04 10:17, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: > I would like to bring to your attention this proposal to put back > running code at the center of Internet protocol design by adding a > new Considerations Section in future Internet-Drafts and RFCs: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-petithuguenin-running-code-considerations-00.txt > > Thanks. >
- Re: Running Code Scott Lawrence
- RE: Running Code Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Running Code Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: Running Code Masataka Ohta
- Re: Running Code Gary E. Miller
- Re: Running Code Andy Bierman
- Re: Running Code ned+ietf
- Re: Running Code Masataka Ohta
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- RE: Running Code Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: Running Code Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Running Code Lars Eggert
- Re: Running Code Jari Arkko
- Re: Running Code Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Running Code ned+ietf
- Re: Running Code Peter Saint-Andre
- RE: Running Code Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: Running Code Andy Bierman
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Henry Sinnreich
- Re: Running Code Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: Running Code Melinda Shore
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Melinda Shore
- RE: Running Code Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: Running Code ned+ietf
- Re: Running Code ned+ietf
- Early implementers motivations [was Re: Running C… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Pete Resnick
- Re: Running Code Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: Early implementers motivations [was Re: Runni… Doug Ewell
- Re: Early implementers motivations [was Re: Runni… ned+ietf
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Doug Ewell
- Re: Running Code Cullen Jennings
- Re: Running Code ned+ietf
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Running Code ned+ietf
- Re: Running Code Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: Early implementers motivations [was Re: Runni… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: Running Code Philip Matthews