Re: Use of private OIDs in WG (standard-track) documents

Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com> Sat, 28 March 2015 22:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: Use of private OIDs in WG (standard-track) documents
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Victor eve understates the case

Ietf could assign oids in pretty much any space it likes and get away with it. Only recourse would be a lawsuit and heaven help the lawyer trying to draft a claim

All the registries do is to help avoid collisions. These are really just numbers we have a process for avoiding double issue of

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> On Mar 28, 2015, at 17:19, Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:50:44PM -0500, Massimiliano Pala wrote:
>> 
>> I do not really feel
>> comfortable adopting OIDs that are under the control of a single
>> organization. Would this be a first case ?
> 
> I don't see any possibility of "control" of a leaf OID once it is
> assigned.  
> 
> All that organizations control s the issuing of new OIDS under
> particular prefixes, and their prerogative is basically limited to
> avoiding collisions with other people assigning OIDs under their
> respective prefixes.  Once you publish an OID as fit for a particular
> purpose, you cannot take it back.
> 
> So I see no risk here.  MIT's and Microsoft's OIDS are used in
> Kerberos, for example.  This has not and cannot cause any problems.
> 
> -- 
>    Viktor.
>