Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis
Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Wed, 04 September 2013 03:05 UTC
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On 9/3/13 6:58 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I agree that trying to figure things out is a net positive. What I want to > avoid is someone making excuses claiming that since they aren't a native > speaker it's somebody else's problem to understand them. I'd like to think that we're going to retain at least some small vestige of common sense in the future (although it's looking questionable). I suppose one could argue the reverse, that by failing to include this as a guideline we may be empowering native English speakers to complain that non-native English speakers are not making a good faith effort to understand something. But hey, let's be sensible, right? In maritime navigation and other sets of "rules of the road," it's generally the case that the vessels or vehicles or skiers or whomever that are faster more maneuverable are responsible for avoiding collisions with those who are less maneuverable. I think this is a pretty good rule of thumb. Melinda
- draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Melinda Shore
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Phill
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Dave Crocker
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Scott Brim
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis S Moonesamy
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Hector Santos
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis S Moonesamy
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis William McCall
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis S Moonesamy
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Scott Kitterman
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Melinda Shore
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis S Moonesamy
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Scott Kitterman
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Barry Leiba
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Dave Crocker
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis S Moonesamy
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis S Moonesamy
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Scott Brim
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Scott Kitterman
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Spencer Dawkins
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Scott Kitterman
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Eduardo A. Suárez
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Eduardo A. Suárez
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Barry Leiba
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Scott Kitterman
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Melinda Shore
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Scott Kitterman
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis Melinda Shore
- Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis S Moonesamy