Re: draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis

[S Moonesamy <[e-mail]>]

At 13:16 03-09-2013, Barry Leiba wrote:
>I agree with Scott that the stuff between the commas doesn't belong here.
>
>That is, it doesn't belong *here*; it can certainly go into a sentence
>or paragraph with advice for native English speakers.  Consider
>something like this instead:
>
>    Participants must do their best to accommodate the needs of other
>    participants by communicating clearly.  When faced with English that
>    is difficult to understand, we must all make the effort to understand it
>    nonetheless, engaging in conversation to clarify what was meant.
>    Native English speakers, in particular, should be careful with the use
>    of slang and cultural references that might not be well known to everyone.

I'll try and come up with text to reflect the above and the other 
feedback about that part of the draft.

>That might not be exactly right; please try to understand me, and
>tweak as necessary.

:-)

At 13:36 03-09-2013, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>I do think that's better. In my experience, once code of conduct 
>type language is codified, eventually someone will try to use it as 
>a hammer. It needs to be crafted with this assumption in mind.

My reading of the feedback is that the above is a concern.

At 19:58 03-09-2013, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>I agree that trying to figure things out is a net positive.  What I want to
>avoid is someone making excuses claiming that since they aren't a native
>speaker it's somebody else's problem to understand them.

Ok.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy