Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, onwards
Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 24 May 2016 06:44 UTC
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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 02:43:58 -0400
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Subject: Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, onwards
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(Forgive the top posting--airport thumb typing). Below you say that you expect the discussion of long term principles to go to mtgvenue@ietf.org. For the short term IETF 100 discussion, I didn't see an explicit pointer for where to participate. Based on traffic to date, I expect that to stay on ietf@ietf.org. Does that match what the IAOC expects? thanks, Ted On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> wrote: > > (Not speaking for the IAOC, which does owe Ted a response, but offering > some of my own perspective of the meta issues in this discussion). > > Again, I see 2 burning issues here: > > 1/ what do we want to consider appropriate meeting sites going forward, and > > 2/ what to do with IETF 100/Singapore > > We’re separating these two because the second has to get decided pretty > much instantly, and in separating them we have to say that the outcome on > “2/“ has to be a one-off, and might not be suitable under updated policies > after we settle out “1/“. > > Spelling it out a little bit: > > What the IAOC does is make site selections based on (our understanding of) > the community’s requirements. To date, our understanding has been that we > should find sites that allow the greatest proportion of our participants to > attend the meeting and get the work done. We expect that people make > their own choices about attending or not attending a meeting, and recognize > that is gated on personal choices and beliefs. > > If the IETF community wants to shift the focus of requirements and make > requirements include other things — such as suitability for family > attendance, selecting for absence of laws or other policies that make the > experience more difficult or uncomfortable for some part of our community — > that’s fine as long as its a consensus position. And, the IAOC needs to > have the resultant requirements spelled out[1]. I argue that discussion > should take place on the aforementioned mtgvenue@ietf.org mailing list, > where the meeting venue selection requirements document is being discussed. > > I don’t believe we can have that discussion quickly, with the attention to > detail that it needs in order to ensure an outcome that fits everyone > (especially including those who have been more comfortable suffering in > silence than putting their challenges out for discussion). > > And, we need to make a decision about IETF 100 quickly. > > So, to be clear, whatever we decided to do with Singapore for IETF 100 > will NOT be a statement about whether we ever meet in Singapore again, or > never meet in Singapore again (depending on which way the decision goes). > > Leslie. > > > [1] Not all requirements are necessarily feasibly implemented, and/or > there are cost implications, but we can all have that discussion as part of > the mtgvenue dialog. > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises LLC > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >
- A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapore, o… Leslie Daigle
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Randy Presuhn
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Alissa Cooper
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Stephen Farrell
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ted Hardie
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Stephen Farrell
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Jari Arkko
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Leslie Daigle
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Adam Roach
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Adam Roach
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Leslie Daigle
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Michael Richardson
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ben Campbell
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… George Michaelson
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Randy Bush
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… John C Klensin
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Michael Richardson
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Sandoche Balakrichenan
- Re: A couple of meta points -- IETF 100, Singapor… Michal Krsek