Re: [IAB] IAB report to the community for IETF 103

Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Wed, 21 November 2018 00:45 UTC

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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 00:44:50 +0000
From: Lloyd Wood <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [IAB] IAB report to the community for IETF 103
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>> That belongs in the to be written RFC "ETSI extensions to TLS considered harmful".
>> Of course, we may debate whether we want to publish such RFC.


Perhaps a more general 'Security protocols designed by any other
organisations considered harmful' is the way to go.

L.

and that includes the IRTF.

 
Lloyd Wood lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk http://about.me/lloydwood



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From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> 
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>; ietf@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [IAB] IAB report to the community for IETF 103





> On Nov 20, 2018, at 00:20, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 5:26 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you give me an example of what you mean?
>> (i.e. "Use "TLS MUST NOT in a sentence" :-)
> 
> Of course it can be done: 
> "Clients SHOULD detect repeated use of the same [EC]DH key share by a server, and MAY terminate TLS connections with alert Repeated-key-share detected when detecting this form of server misbehavior."

It will just use prf(secretseed) maybe with a prefix for random(number of rounds). How will you detect those ?


> That belongs in the to be written RFC "ETSI extensions to TLS considered harmful". Of course, we may debate whether we want to publish such RFC.

I would like to see a discussion of this, even if we end up not writing one.

Paul