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From: "Maisonneuve, Julien (Nokia - FR/Paris-Saclay)" <julien.maisonneuve@nokia.com>
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Github, sanctions, and the IETF
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EFF has expressed an interesting view on the code aspects, asking that the judicial actions don't mix the (GitHub open) software and the use which is made of it (the mixer) so as to respect "code free speech" (an unusual concept outside of the US).
 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/code-speech-and-tornado-cash-mixer
In any event the story is not finished.
Julien.

-----Original Message-----
From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Fernando Gont
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:58 PM
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Github, sanctions, and the IETF

Hi, All,

Since we seem to have formally embraced Github, this might be of
interest: 
https://cryptobriefing.com/circle-github-comply-with-tornado-cash-sanctions/

P.S.: No, I don't have a specific proposal. -- although nothing would prevent us from e.g. running gitlab ourselves, I guess -- still, not sure the extent to which we'd be relieved of the same issues (as previously discussed in other threads).

Thanks,
--
Fernando Gont
e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar
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