Re: [MBONED] MBONE Deployment (mboned) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-21

[Leonard Giuliano <[e-mail]>]

[re-combining threads]

Ahh yes, the disappointment of having IETF go backwards on this technology 
occurred so long ago that I missed the irony...

Indeed, would be nice to go back to the future when IETF meetings used the 
MBONE.  In fact, you may recall we approached the IETF network and 
Meetecho teams last year about this.  The network support is there on the 
Internet today- we have several public AMT relays deployed to deliver 
multicast streams from the MBONE to Internet users on unicast-only 
networks.  VLC now has AMT GW support.  Multicast capabilities in other 
apps doesn't appear to be available, and support/encouragement from the 
IETF (as it has for v6 over the years) would certainly help.  Any 
suggestions for how to accomplish that would be welcome, as last year's 
attempt didn't get very far.

The current global situation is pushing the need for solutions that enable 
people to gather virtually (distance learning, worship services, movie 
watch parties, drinks with friends, WG meetings, etc), which illustrates 
the value and role to play for multicast.

In MBONED, we've adopted work to bring multicast to the browser, which 
will help with app layer support.  We have deprecated the use of 
interdomain ASM to mandate SSM and eliminate most of the complexity of 
deploying multicast.  We'd love more folks to deploy AMT relays.  

We welcome others to join us and share ideas they have to help the effort.


On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Randy Bush wrote:

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| > Webex, as it appears to be the tool of choice for the virtual 
interims.
| > We will share the same webex session with PIM.
| >
| > Was this supposed to be a trick question, Randy?  If so, not quite
| > following.
| >
| >>> The MBONE Deployment (mboned) Working Group will hold a virtual
| >>> interim meeting on 2020-04-21 from 09:00 to 11:00 America/Los_Angeles.
| >> and what technology will it use for this meeting?  maybe that will tell
| >> us something.
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| twenty years ago, we used multicast to participate remotely in ietf 
| meetings.  i used it to participate in a conference remotely while i was 
| incapacitated.  for the time, it worked.
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| now mboned does not even eat its own dogfood.
|
| we learned a lot when v6ops used the nat64 ssid at a (f2f) meeting.
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| the world seems to have gone to zoom.  the ietf is using webex (no shock 
| there, considering).
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| resources will become more and more scarce.  multicast should think 
| about stepping up or stepping out.
|
| randy
|

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Ole Jacobsen wrote:

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| A long, long time ago in an IETF far away, we used the actual MBONE
| as our remote participation tool (vic, vat, anyone?). I suspect Randy
| is just musing about the Good Old Days.
| 
| 
| > On 26 Mar 2020, at 11:37, Leonard Giuliano <lenny=[e-mail]> wrote:
| >
| >
| > Webex, as it appears to be the tool of choice for the virtual interims.
| > We will share the same webex session with PIM.
| >
| > Was this supposed to be a trick question, Randy?  If so, not quite
| > following.
| >
| >
| > On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Randy Bush wrote:
| >
| > | > The MBONE Deployment (mboned) Working Group will hold a virtual
| > | > interim meeting on 2020-04-21 from 09:00 to 11:00 America/Los_Angeles.
| > |
| > | and what technology will it use for this meeting?  maybe that will tell
| > | us something.
| > |
| > | randy
| > |
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