Re: Usage of services without IPv6 Support
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Wed, 22 April 2020 15:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: Usage of services without IPv6 Support
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:37:55 -0400
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On 4/22/20 11:32 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > Let's take this apart. > > We can't and won't stop individuals from developing drafts using github. > Nor can we stop them from posting pointers to those githubs on WG > email lists. > Similarly, we can't and won't stop design teams from using github. Ideally, I think people should be able to use whatever tools they want to use. However, those choices do affect people's ability to work together and sometimes individuals have to make compromises in order to work effectively with others. These conflicts are not new; they've been around as long as I've been programming. Github is problematic for several reasons and I don't really think the community has come to terms with that yet. (Just like, say, using HTML email is problematic for several reasons that we really haven't come to terms with yet.) IMO the thing to do is try to avoid learn from the experience with github (or HTML email) and use that experience to develop better tools. But also we should try to avoid painting ourselves into corners. It's not wrong to focus attention on github's problems. Denial is not a virtue. Keith
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