Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb
"Dan Harkins" <dharkins@lounge.org> Fri, 20 March 2015 05:46 UTC
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 22:46:25 -0700
Subject: Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb
From: Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org>
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
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On Thu, March 19, 2015 3:15 pm, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > I read "local law" as meaning the law where the interaction is taking > place. While that can get very complicated for electronic interaction, > for the example you chose to cite it is very clear. If Charlie Hebdo's > cover violates local law where you are reading it, you have chosen to > ask for more trouble than just a discussion with the IETF harrasment > ombudsman. Well yes, but doesn't that beg the question? If I have done something that asks for more trouble than a mere talking to by the IETF harassment ombudsman then why have the IETF harassment ombudsman get involved in the first place? If the authorities behind "local law" are going to be handling it then let that legal process work itself out. No need to get the IETF involved in meting out punishment that may ultimately expose it to potential abuses of someone's due process and 14th amendment rights. regards, Dan.
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- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb Pete Resnick
- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb Brian E Carpenter
- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb Nico Williams
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- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb Eliot Lear
- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb John C Klensin
- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb Jari Arkko
- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb Michael StJohns
- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb Nico Williams
- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb James Woodyatt
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- Re: I-D.farrresnickel-harassment - timebomb Mark Andrews
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