Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request
Allison Mankin <mankin@psg.com> Tue, 25 July 2006 19:08 UTC
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Hi, Ray, and all, I read the SOW earlier to check that it matched with the draft-mankin-pub-req-10 (output of techspec), but I've now given a read to other matters in the RFP. If anyone wants to discuss points from this mail other than those specifics to the RFP, I suppose we should do so on independent@ietf.org. 1. Some wording under Independent Submissions is still a bit confusing. 2.a. states the optional presentation of the document to the IESG for end-run evaluation while it is in the RFC Editor's initial review. 2.e states the mandatory presentation which is called for by RFC 2026. 2.a says see 2.e. In a non-sequential reading, which is possible, 2.e does not sound mandatory. But it is firmly required by RFC 2026. [And while I have this topic: this is not because of power projection for anyone, but because the WGs' labors are heavily invested in RFCs as an end-product, and their charters and work need to be consulted by their AD] So I'd like to suggest that 2.e be changed a little bit: OLD: Submit document to IESG for review of conflicts or confusion with IETF process, end runs around working group activities, and obvious and significant harm to the Internet NEW: As required by RFC 2026, submit document to IESG for review of conflicts or confusion with IETF process, end runs around working group activities, and obvious and significant harm to the Internet 2. > g. Final Editing and Publication > 1) Edit and publish as for IETF community documents This publication process is not identical to IETF community documents. IETF has a BCP (3932) which currently specifies differences, but we're in some debate now (expressed during the Thursday plenary in Montreal) about its full applicability to the independent submissions. There should be some statement in the SOW about how the differences, such as a boilerplate stating the nature of the independent submissions, or a specific type of identifier within the RFC series, will be further resolved. How about wording like: NEW: 1) Edit and publish with the same steps as IETF community documents but with clear indications that these belong to an independent series. Specifics of these indications will be authorized by the appropriate IETF community parties. > h. Coordination with Other Document Streams > 1) Coordination with and prioritization of other document streams is the > prerogative of the IAB I'm assuming that h.1 is not intended to cover the document differentiation issue, but in any event, it would not do it well. The IESG and the BCP-approving community hasn't finished discussing (by approving a changed BCP) a view that the IAB is now arbiter of the IETF's public messaging on independent RFCs. Due to independent RFC's potential close involvement with working group RFCs, there are reasons for WG folks to really think about this. I don't think there's any intention to affect a standards-related issue by placing language in the RFP/contract, but we should really watch that we do not. Allison _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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