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Re: Data on internet drafts/year?

"Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com> Fri, 26 September 2014 05:35 UTC

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From: "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>
To: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Data on internet drafts/year?
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On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyway, the total numbers are small but to the extent that we
> no longer seem to be able to undertake new work without a "problem
> statement" I'd suspect that this may be contributing to process
> delays.

My understanding, possibly incorrect, is that the process delay is intentional. A brief look at the RFC series and the internet drafts will tell you that we often start a project with a solution looking for a problem. Our response has been to ask for a problem statement draft, and then charter a working group that is not authorized to create a solution without a charter change. I don’t know how that doesn’t make the time interval from “I’d like to work on something” to “solution delivered to IESG” longer.

We also have created a work ethic in which dithering is accepted.

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