RE: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft
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From: Andrew Campling <andrew.campling@419.consulting>
To: Ignacio De Castro Arribas <i.castro@qmul.ac.uk>, IETF-Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft
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The RASPRG presentations were helpful in highlighting several challenges that are likely relevant across many, if not all, SDOs. Lowering barriers to participation through AI can be beneficial, particularly if it broadens and diversifies the contributor base. However, these same tools can also be misused, making it easier to overwhelm a mailing list, working group, or even an entire SDO with what effectively amounts to a denial-of-service-style attack. As I noted during the RASPRG session, this raises the question of whether our rules of participation need updating. They were likely developed under the assumption that all participants would engage in good faith, an assumption that may no longer apply, for example, if some "participants" are actually AI tools auto-responding to mailing lists. Andrew From: Ignacio De Castro Arribas <i.castro@qmul.ac.uk> Sent: 31 July 2026 15:58 To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell=40cs.tcd.ie@dmarc.ietf.org>; IETF-Discussion <ietf@ietf.org> Subject: Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft This is definitely interesting, and it is a fact that AI use is becoming almost omnipresent. There have been multiple discussions on the topic at RASPRG, including the last one in Vienna with two presentations on how-to/tools for participation from Mark Nottingham and inferring AI usage in drafts from Jaime Jiménez. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/126/session/rasprg Given the amount of discussion we did a poll towards making an interim to keep discussing the topic (ie, IA-enabled participation at the IETF). Cheers, Ignacio --- Dr. Ignacio Castro Assistant Professor Electronic Engineering and Computer Science Queen Mary University of London ________________________________ From: Stephen Farrell Sent: Friday, July 31, 2026 04:20 To: IETF-Discussion Subject: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Hi all, Myself and Chong Feng have posted an I-D [1] that (from two pretty different perspectives) aims to progress discussion of how we might better handle LLM text in IETF discussions. I think this'd be a fine topic for broad discussion. I do not know what would be the correct mailing list for such a discussion, but also think it doesn't warrant waiting for another round of dispatchery before being discussed. (Nor would any dispatch outcome above 'new mailing list' suit.) So, I'd be v. interested in comments on this and/or on it being moved to some other mailing list for discussion. If no existing list suits, I'd suggest humanorwhat@ietf.org<mailto:humanorwhat@ietf.org> (which could be contracted to how@ietf.org:-<mailto:how@ietf.org:->) as a name for a new list, but whatever works is fine. Meanwhile, we'd be v. interested in any comments here or on the github repo [2]. And of course, this is a v. rough thing, not intended to be prescriptive or authoritative, so have at it:-) Cheers, S. [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fengfar-led/ [2] https://github.com/sftcd/led/
- Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft George Michaelson
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Nathanael Ritz
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Nick Hilliard
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Orie
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Orie
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Nathanael Ritz
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Robert Sparks
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft John Levine
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft S Moonesamy
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Ignacio De Castro Arribas
- RE: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Andrew Campling
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Vittorio Bertola
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Laurence Lundblade
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Laurence Lundblade
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Toerless Eckert
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft S Moonesamy
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft George Michaelson
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft George Michaelson
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft George Michaelson
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft S Moonesamy
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Toerless Eckert
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Toerless Eckert
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Toerless Eckert
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Adam Wiethuechter
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Jay Daley
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Benoit@everything-ops.net
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Andrew Newton (andy)
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Laurence Lundblade
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Jay Daley
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Nathanael Ritz
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft chong feng
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft chong feng
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft S Moonesamy
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Christian Huitema
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft S Moonesamy
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Ramesh
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Brian Campbell
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Jay Daley
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Laurence Lundblade
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- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft John Levine
- Re: Dealing with LLMs in IETF discussions draft Stephen Farrell