Re: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 01 May 2013 20:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process
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On 5/1/2013 1:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 02/05/2013 05:59, Dave Crocker wrote: >> >> The blog nicely classes the problem as being too heavy-weight during >> final stages. The quick discussion thread seems focused on adding a >> moment at which the draft specification is considered 'baked'. >> >> I think that's still too late. > > What, you agree with your younger self? > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-icar-sirs-01 I really dislike being consistent, and always have. > Apart from the non-diverse acronym, I still think that proposal > was a good one. Me too. Could be interesting to, ummmm, review it for updating... d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
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