Filleted clients [Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Society]
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 01 August 2023 21:09 UTC
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Subject: Filleted clients [Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Society]
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On 02-Aug-23 08:12, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Brian E Carpenter wrote on 01/08/2023 03:26:
>> I was under the illusion that RFC1984 + RFC2804 made this point quite
>> clear.
>> Do you think we need an RFC that says more?
>
> The contents of rfc1984 aged well. One potential addition: the current
> round of proposals include suggestions to fillet various classes of
> encryption clients, for example personal messaging systems. This is
> slightly different to the topics discussed in rfc1984, but in the
> current round of encryption angst, no less of a problem.
Correct. Those two RFCs don't talk about backdoors in the host, for example.
Neither does RFC7258.
Who's going to write the draft, and will the IETF+IESG support it?
Brian
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Jim Reid
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Keith Moore
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… John Levine
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Lloyd W
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Nick Hilliard
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Keith Moore
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… George Michaelson
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… S Moonesamy
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Keith Moore
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Keith Moore
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Nick Hilliard
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Keith Moore
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Phillip Hallam-Baker
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Keith Moore
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Keith Moore
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Keith Moore
- Re: more than back doors, Approaching the IETF - … Keith Moore
- Re: more than back doors, Approaching the IETF - … Keith Moore
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… John Levine
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Nick Hilliard
- Filleted clients [Re: Approaching the IETF - A Vi… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Keith Moore
- Re: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Soci… Nick Hilliard
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