Re: PGP security models, was Summary of IETF LC for draft-ietf-dane-openpgpkey

robert <robert.w.withers@gmail.com> Thu, 24 September 2015 20:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: PGP security models, was Summary of IETF LC for draft-ietf-dane-openpgpkey
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
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Philip,

I've been up some days now with a couple of kitten naps with lots on my 
plate.  Would you help me by providing a brief overview of the thesis, 
model and impl, please? It certainly sounds exciting with your modeling 
at the meta.

Regards,
Robert

On 9/24/2015 10:05 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:02 AM, robert <robert.w.withers@gmail.com 
> <mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I've sort of been following this discussion, not being too
>     familiar with thinking about PGP. I did an S/MIME impl awhile back.
>
>     I would like to propose adding 2 features:
>     a. add a registry family that is self-signed and the members form
>     a quorum for election and the family cert is distributed across
>     many registries and there is eventual consistency.
>     b. use a blockchain to make eventually consistent and authenticate
>     the quorum of members of a self-signed family cert, published to
>     global registry.
>
>     I think you blockchain the self-signed, globally published family
>     cert which contains quorum approval of additions and revocations
>     of certs produced by this self-signed family cert with CA ability.
>     I think that's secure without 3rd party CA/RevokeCertList (if
>     IIIRC it's name).
>
>     Do you think my proposal has merit?
>
>
> Take a look at this, it gives a mathematical framework for that sort 
> of approach:
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hallambaker-prismproof-trust-01
>
>
> The Meta Mathematical Mesh is intended to work in that way. Just 
> finishing some code and producing initial specs.
>
>