Re: The Sheraton was a good choice for IETF 114 but....

Tim Cappalli <Tim.Cappalli@microsoft.com> Sun, 21 August 2022 14:40 UTC

Return-Path: <Tim.Cappalli@microsoft.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E6EC14F725 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 07:40:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -7.681
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.681 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.571, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=microsoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HVQdlWRijksm for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 07:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from na01-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-cusazon11020027.outbound.protection.outlook.com [52.101.61.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DFB4C14CF10 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 07:40:16 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=To71Bs2sMkB/i1tU41GUhfMcYzcrmRoHs5UXzZtRRpLKqvVItvoaZs0nO9MrYzz3+dlhU741Rpcr5HW/OfDyUnmYKV+4b1p7cps4RTzryODQgu7FHD9ZGdDBDf15gCkV+W9Ie2/5WbuaEwEjCNNOMAdQrdxBVTdBTELvOkjXWSURGsqJeIZ1JuLaNofD+xN4vpkcfuKdHH/tCIsmGbc7ggntAZ9rnfroeG4yMGQqG1qtJDzAZgD/cLFElGeaEUfnCBU6Ne/1AtDGIRewGiC5Sr6/nKO67XLHJoHDsOl1yJgyfuuUiybtqqYmbTNQeiQybZKdA21S7ZXdeoWh8p8ckQ==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=0UMMf9UgICO1BNUp/JAZRAFKXPh/N6qOrNIt2JYEl2k=; b=APLEjJoeDXgUFrMsXx2d1NV9/sfWpNHGwQ/HbG12rGzIfzPM/bCIDAhIopOwaX8NTAdiIhm4GbY1gl4qIETxJDOFFMJ2vyNIBEHDqT+OrsfBnhMALOsJ8iaOaSdpomWjDbZWeqeITuzIu5zBHLQcOi3bIGG+ueHuxkBa6xG6CBkEkfW8wgfRAA9Cac27U8aXzsFpxbXCtcHddtZXhcA+IV+OqcO6HCIysphlRraaMkdrFLDxK2Ku7OlZCc4uJlMbOI6pAmgJPQk1OPnTocKIG9TXD8pNfRlUkS75Mxun6s/rc1wE7ZW4MI6MivAZ9J1tTGwMZCB3Pdf7FevdCQe6DQ==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=microsoft.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=microsoft.com; dkim=pass header.d=microsoft.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=selector2; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=0UMMf9UgICO1BNUp/JAZRAFKXPh/N6qOrNIt2JYEl2k=; b=B814Jf7iYfjAXky6hkWKf10U39VkZiG2BMGVs7aUvzuuIDh/GqepfgSynBdAxwXqsEMamsPmgYgKjGvpQvS5RRAiLtWBOOyMiEh28bjpDgPgkcMJ/gXt3VIFxQ16kucLA43oll2RMwloic3KLLbFBlB0MkJMMEA0P0ZzRHHReUs=
Received: from BYAPR00MB0469.namprd00.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:d6::22) by PH0PR00MB1198.namprd00.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:510:9e::23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.5599.0; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:39:50 +0000
Received: from BYAPR00MB0469.namprd00.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::3961:ad82:ef10:e25c]) by BYAPR00MB0469.namprd00.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::3961:ad82:ef10:e25c%5]) with mapi id 15.20.5592.000; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:39:49 +0000
From: Tim Cappalli <Tim.Cappalli@microsoft.com>
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
CC: IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: The Sheraton was a good choice for IETF 114 but....
Thread-Topic: The Sheraton was a good choice for IETF 114 but....
Thread-Index: AQHYqDhaQK3ntVCsdkSzcvrq2bsPWa2fT6kAgBDXpwCAABHsgIABhXAAgAfIWXs=
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:39:49 +0000
Message-ID: <BYAPR00MB046989D027A811A8931DADA1956E9@BYAPR00MB0469.namprd00.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAMm+LwgjBZYufVWUO47jVZjJ2Ae=F7OCarraLhmCszpBfjtK3A@mail.gmail.com> <8703.1659651478@localhost> <YvpmdkJxfKylqL1O@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <4878.1660581247@localhost> <CAMm+Lwj2_kD8jWVQtXhgiyq9=Uw9pvPK_VbXjggQttbNjNVn3Q@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAMm+Lwj2_kD8jWVQtXhgiyq9=Uw9pvPK_VbXjggQttbNjNVn3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
msip_labels: MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_Enabled=True; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_SiteId=72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_SetDate=2022-08-21T14:38:50.8006858Z; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_ContentBits=0; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_Method=Standard
authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=microsoft.com;
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BYAPR00MB0469:EE_|PH0PR00MB1198:EE_
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: dbeb3c02-386f-412a-2c17-08da8383001e
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: qpX/irMmwYtEUJ4Em015FAcdbMUGJrHKxClsaTjGnNW0Yg/rnLKGFLEw5ji8xu01xHmpafcPUsdgcrWRXRlUylp5Yy8eWPO7sthQJnUq0cLkvcgbHrsxjH5lLt8SbgC3vGAuLX8E/kV3WvBWkwmUPF39ZwgT5RE2pAtcFZnNreZeOMi3yozXsvh+LYzw51D5SXZbRW3uUdsquxuXza4rvDj/thS1ToRCOVOROxpL1t/+4Lz8mPjdKXUCSPVOQqb+dNfM6fgXUIgMihzxW9iBUYYxocWOMNb1ZR1jn3PNx8F0kORj/wyu4MXbE9SvXyO38AplxiPZjGh4senOHHm1y1trztqIgQ5XhKXT86A8rruE07AgBHR1cpwgeaHyXRM5tSzwU+Kp2Gv7j+R42AtuU4/9j7fYZPocGYvzjVibREku0uBg6iqbVCcYmXxGH+MxWw1dkvvl3jlTG+MT6vPnD/7sGUu5zT4NiLg2D7nHz6LafLWU2X3c2vIYZ7Quyu829d8qrIxb7RgceMH0IPIbLF5i2R0hufUs3nd2uxDUCE1g/2Pvb/541sfL9d63ZfnSCxyf8p2VtFYflRjPlO7Y2TK12Q4F06wrkGDwgUFB7BlsR7YE3+dTEH3zv8mEXduH7msw/E119xzNVtOiORaPBnHiF12NKVD1rgxYMyosTHjkgY0AlJVn/xpPW2vJw8BW6/4fhcuaq+yQcUN58JqfE3Ra47W1VznSXdBh95rVtJ1YYH/dUnnFmA3tEADpoyGju6+0BKpRz6r0OUqxt5jX9pIWSp2G24nsAXAd0OXfn6TVlHEVCE79LLrxBYGORB1i
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:BYAPR00MB0469.namprd00.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230016)(4636009)(136003)(39860400002)(366004)(396003)(346002)(376002)(451199009)(71200400001)(7696005)(6506007)(9686003)(53546011)(83380400001)(38100700002)(478600001)(186003)(5660300002)(8936002)(41300700001)(26005)(122000001)(8990500004)(2906002)(33656002)(76116006)(66946007)(66556008)(66476007)(66446008)(64756008)(8676002)(4326008)(10290500003)(86362001)(52536014)(55016003)(110136005)(82960400001)(82950400001)(38070700005)(316002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: 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
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BYAPR00MB046989D027A811A8931DADA1956E9BYAPR00MB0469namp_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PH0PR00MB1198
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/nCqLPoCRIVhLENzD2Q6A3GEzF9c>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:40:22 -0000

Signing into services on smart TVs and media players at home or in hotel rooms, is one of the use cases addressed by passkeys. You should start seeing it rolled out in these types environments in late 2023.

tim

From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 11:50
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Cc: IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: The Sheraton was a good choice for IETF 114 but....
On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 12:34 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca<mailto:mcr%2Bietf@sandelman.ca>> wrote:

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de<mailto:tte@cs.fau.de>> wrote:
    > I was thinking more of a one-time-password generator for streaming
    > accounts, like there are with good banks virtual credit card numbers,
    > where you upfront can configure a period of validity, such as a week,
    > and maximum charge against it, and number of transactions.

Yes.
Any password with enough entropy to be useful is pretty much impossible to
type on some screen keyboard using the arrow pad on a remote.
Plus what PHB said about turning ones password over to unknown device.

This is a place where TIGRESS might be able to do some work, where the TV
creates a mailbox, displays the mailbox location as a QR code, and you scan
from the phone with a *wallet* app.
This is done today with some youtube players on TVs already.

That is thinking about functionality. I want the seamless experience from booking through to checkin through to checkout.

Don't think about 'how'.