Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas)
Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Wed, 11 October 2017 21:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas)
From: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
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To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
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> Casual observation is what happens when the identifier can be shown in > network traffic, logs, etc. There, the properties vary depending on how > the hash is constructed. If H = hash(public-key), then the identifier is > static, and the privacy properties are just the same as publishing the > public key -- which means, mostly terrible, as EKR said. On the other > hand, if H = > hash(public-key|something-that-changes-for-every-session-and-is-hard-to-predict), > then the properties are similar to privacy preserving IPv6 addresses. Just note how much better the above is than what we have today with both provider-assigned and provider-independent address allocations. > Many of the scenarios seem to require proof-of-ownership, as in "proving > that the device can legitimately use the ID by demonstrating ownership > of the public key behind the ID". In that case, you are effectively > publishing the public key. If the public key is static and permanent, A single instance of a public-key is static but you don’t always have to use one identifier, and thereby don’t need to use one key-pair. And with a locator/ID separated architecture, you have flexibility to not require permanent addresses. > that is a pretty strong identifier with terrible privacy properties. On > the other hand, if you can pick a new public key for every session, then > the privacy properties are reasonable. See Bitcoin example. Dino
- Fwd: Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (id… Christian Huitema
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) Stephen Farrell
- Re: Fwd: Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks… Joe Touch
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Tom Herbert
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … stephen.farrell
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) John C Klensin
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Tom Herbert
- Re: Fwd: Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks… Erik Nordmark
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Alexander Clemm
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) Eggert, Lars
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Stephen Farrell
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Uma Chunduri
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Padmadevi Pillay Esnault
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) Jari Arkko
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Tom Herbert
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Dino Farinacci
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Uma Chunduri
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) Mike StJohns
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Uma Chunduri
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Uma Chunduri
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Uma Chunduri
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Leif Johansson
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Leif Johansson
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: Fwd: Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks… Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Padma Pillay-Esnault
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Uma Chunduri
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Stephen Farrell
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Uma Chunduri
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Randy Bush
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) S Moonesamy
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) S Moonesamy
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) S Moonesamy
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Tom Herbert
- Re: WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas) Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Melinda Shore
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Brian E Carpenter
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Uma Chunduri
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Tom Herbert
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … S Moonesamy
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Alvaro Retana
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Randy Bush
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Eggert, Lars
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Randy Bush
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Jeff Tantsura
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Uma Chunduri
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Randy Bush
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Christian Huitema
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Christian Huitema
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Padma Pillay-Esnault
- RE: [Ideas] [lisp] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Alexander Clemm
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Ideas] [lisp] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Sam Sun
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Christian Huitema
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Randy Bush
- RE: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks … Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [Ideas] [lisp] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Ideas] [lisp] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Ideas] [lisp] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Ideas] [lisp] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Ideas] [lisp] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… John C Klensin
- Re: [Ideas] [lisp] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Ne… Toerless Eckert