Re: Intdir early review of draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 - 'conforming IPv6' - fe80::/10 vs fe80::/64
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Subject: Re: Intdir early review of draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 - 'conforming IPv6' - fe80::/10 vs fe80::/64
To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>, Pascal Thubert <pthubert@cisco.com>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Bonjour Alexandre, On 10-Apr-19 02:11, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: > > > Le 09/04/2019 à 00:37, Brian E Carpenter a écrit : >> On 08-Apr-19 21:18, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: >>> >>> Le 04/03/2019 à 12:24, Pascal Thubert a écrit : >>>> Reviewer: Pascal Thubert Review result: Not Ready >>> [...] >>>> " >>>> >>>> This subnet MUST use at least the link-local prefix fe80::/10 and >>>> the interfaces MUST be assigned IPv6 addresses of type >>>> link-local. " If this is conforming IPv6 then the MUST is not >>>> needed. >>> >>> What do you mean by 'conforming IPv6'? >>> >>> The above phrase is a clarification of existing IPv6 specs. >>> >>> The spec in question is RFC 2464. I consider that to be what we >>> need to conform to. That spec says 'fe80::/64'. But that 64 is >>> wrong. >> >> No it isn't. It specifies the LL prefix used over Ethernet. Since it >> is within fe80::/10, it's valid. > > YEs, it is valid. > >> I also don't understand the meaning of "at least" in this sentence. > > "At least" means that at least the link-local prefix must be present on > the interface. More than LL prefix, there could be a global prefix or > an ULA prefix or several of them. > > "At least" does not mean "the value should be at least 10" in that phrase. > > Do you think we should say otherwise? To me there is nothing in the actual text to tell me that "at least" qualifies the "/10". I think you could rephrase as "This subnet's prefix MUST lie within the link-local prefix fe80::/10 ..." However, see Jinmei's messages about conformance with RFC 4291. I think there might be unexpected side effects from using an address like fe80:1::1. What if some code uses matching with fe80::/64 to test if an address is link-local? I agree that would be faulty code, but you would be the first to discover it. Regards Brian >>> Hence the clarification. >> >> If you specify the prefix as /10, you have to define how the other >> 118 bits are constructed. Specifying how the final 64 bits are >> constructed is insufficient. > > I agree. I could add text that suggests the use of 0s between position > 64 and the position ending the prefix. Would this be ok with you? > >> Also, it seems to me that you should cite RFC8064 everywhere that you >> cite RFC2464, since the EUI-64 mechanism is now considered obsolete. > > It is considered obsolete ok, but are you sure? > > There are enourmous deployments of embedded computers with kernels 2.x > that do that EUI-64 mechanism. It will take long to disappear. > > An IPv6-over-OCB document today that does not do EUI-64 risks to not be > implemented. > >> I also think the citation of draft-hinden-6man-rfc2464bis is >> confusing, since it seems to be comatose. > > Ah no! Resurrect that, otherwise I remove the ref :-) > >> >>> >>> Do you disagree with it? >>> >>> (the reasons why I put there /10 and not /64 are the following: LLs >>> work in linux with any length between 10 and 64, the ND spec does >>> not restrict to 64, >> >> No, but IPv6-over-foo documents usually do apply that restriction, >> rather than define 118-bit IIDs. > > It is good to know about practice in IPv6-over-foo documents. > > What should I do in the IP-over-OCB document: continue that restriction? > or define 118bit IID with filling in 0s between 64 and position of last > bit of prefix? > > (in implementation I already did fe80:1::1/32 as a link-local address on > OCB at 5.9GHz; the prefix is fe80:1::/32 and the IID is ::1 of length 96 > with 32 leading 0 bits; it works between cars) > > Alex > >> >> Brian >> >>> the IANA starts at 10, and probably other reasons; there is a >>> recent I-D about this LL prefix length: >>> draft-petrescu-6man-ll-prefix-len-07). >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >> >> > . >
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- Re: side note RFC 4291 2nd par sec. 2.1 LL on loo… Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-38 Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [ipwave] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-ip… Jong-Hyouk Lee
- Re: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-38 Alexandre Petrescu
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- Re: which BSM? Alexandre Petrescu
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- Re: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb and draf… Alexandre Petrescu
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- Re: [Int-dir] link-local text (Re: Intdir early r… Alexandre Petrescu
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- Re: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb and draf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Int-dir] side note RFC 4291 2nd par sec. 2.1… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb and draf… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 神明達哉
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb and draf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 神明達哉
- Re: 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: 118 神明達哉
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Suresh Krishnan
- Re: 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 神明達哉
- Re: [Int-dir] 118 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Expertise on ND problems on OCB Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [ipwave] Expertise on ND problems on OCB Charlie Perkins
- Re: [ipwave] Expertise on ND problems on OCB Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
- Re: [ipwave] which BSM? William Whyte
- Re: [ipwave] which BSM? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] which BSM? William Whyte
- Re: [ipwave] Expertise on ND problems on OCB Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] which BSM? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] which BSM? William Whyte
- RE: [ipwave] use-cases in Problem Statement Jérôme Härri
- Re: [ipwave] Expertise on ND problems on OCB Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Int-dir] [ipwave] Expertise on ND problems o… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [ipwave] Expertise on ND problems on OCB Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)