Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP
Jeffrey Hutzelman <jhutz@cmu.edu> Wed, 28 February 2007 21:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling Normative References for Standards Track Documents) to BCP
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On Wednesday, February 28, 2007 03:56:44 PM -0500 Eric Rosen <erosen@cisco.com> wrote: > In many cases (probably the vast majority) where a document is > advancing despite a "downward normative reference", the referenced > document (and the technology described therein) is no less stable > than the referencing document, and no "caution" is required. It's > great to be able to "make a downward reference and move on", but we > should not be required to tell lies and spread FUD. Inflammatory language aside, I agree. > Another alternative, probably a better one, is simply to annotate each > reference with its standards status, and make no editorial comment about > it at all. This sounds like a fine approach to me, for cases where in fact no special caution is required. For the remaining cases, someone can always object to approving the document on the basis of an unstable downref and/or ask that a warning be inserted. On the other hand, I don't think any change to the document is needed to achieve this. The next two paragraphs after the one you quote say: The IESG may, at its discretion, specify the exact text to be used, establish procedures regarding the text to use, or give guidance on this text. When establishing procedures the IESG should seek appropriate community review. These annotations are part of the source document. If members of the community consider either the downward reference or the annotation text to be inappropriate, those issues can be raised at any time in the document life cycle, just as with any other text in the document. There is no separate review on these references. Also, while I don't think the document necessarily needs to be changed to REQUIRE this, I think it would be good if last call announcements continued to call out normative downrefs, for two reasons: (1) To make it easier to catch potentially problematic downrefs (2) To encourage the advancement of frequently-referenced documents along the standards track. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Tom.Petch
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Sam Hartman
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Bill Fenner
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Sam Hartman
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Tom.Petch
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Sam Hartman
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Tom.Petch
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Eric Rosen
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Jeffrey Hutzelman
- Re: Last Call: draft-klensin-norm-ref (Handling N… Frank Ellermann