RE: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations
"Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Fri, 08 July 2016 17:57 UTC
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Subject: RE: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 18:57:27 +0100
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AFAICS the only new material is in the final paragraph, although the last sentence is also apparently not new. I would advise the IESG to not make a statement in parallel to BCP 79 since alternative wording of the same material will create rather than remove ambiguity. Say new things if they need to be said; revise BCP 79 if it needs to be revised; but don't make statements that look like they are "talking for the sake of talking." Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF-Announce [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > IESG Secretary > Sent: 07 July 2016 21:21 > To: IETF Announcement List > Subject: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations > > The IESG is considering an IESG statement on IPR Declarations, and would > like to solicit comments from the community on the proposed text. The > proposed text is provided below. > > The IESG will make a decision about this matter shortly. Please provide > comments, if any, to ietf@ietf.org or to the IESG at iesg@ietf.org > before July 31, 2016. > > —— > > IESG Statement on IPR Declarations: > > BCP 79 discusses Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) within the IETF > process and technologies being worked on at the IETF. > > Among other things, BCP 79 specifies how and when IPR disclosures ought > to be made. The purpose of such disclosures is to inform IETF > participants and those that use IETF technologies about IPR that may be > associated with the technology in question. > > The IESG also observes that the IETF posts all IPR disclosures (other > than obvious spam, which is not an IPR disclosure), as they are > received, in our IPR disclosure database. This database is available at > https://www.ietf.org/ipr/. > > However, as noted in BCP 79, the IETF will make no determination about > the validity of any particular IPR claim. Neither the IETF nor the IESG > makes any attempt to verify patent validity or the validity of any other > statements in the IPR disclosure text. As BCP 79, Sec. 4(B) indicates: > > "The IESG disclaims any responsibility for identifying the > existence of or for evaluating the applicability of any IPR, > disclosed or otherwise, to any IETF technology, specification or > standard, and will take no position on the validity or scope of > any such IPR claims." > > The material posted as IPR disclosures should be viewed as originating > from the source of that information, and any issue or question related > to the material should be directed to the source rather than the IETF. > There is no implied endorsement or agreement by the IETF or the IESG > with any of the material.
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- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations John C Klensin
- RE: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations Adrian Farrel
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations Barry Leiba
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations Barry Leiba
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations Dave Crocker
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations Dave Crocker
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations Jari Arkko
- Re: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations Eliot Lear