Re: Thingerdamerung (Was: ietf.org end-to-end principle)

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Thu, 17 March 2016 21:56 UTC

Return-Path: <randy@psg.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790A412DCFE for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:56:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.901
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dSWoaAWDcZKe for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:56:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE06412DD09 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <randy@psg.com>) id 1agfuD-0003o4-5T; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:56:33 +0000
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 06:56:31 +0900
Message-ID: <m237rokbu8.wl%randy@psg.com>
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Subject: Re: Thingerdamerung (Was: ietf.org end-to-end principle)
In-Reply-To: <CAMm+LwjVRMxtR41J8TcwrfyA_ShXDFRxbgeGo1X+jZOFt5R5+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMm+LwjVRMxtR41J8TcwrfyA_ShXDFRxbgeGo1X+jZOFt5R5+w@mail.gmail.com>
User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI)
MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue")
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sFCbKIDdbQBPS46TREcnTnyaTqo>
Cc: IETF Disgust List <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:56:37 -0000

> The home network architecture that makes sense to me is that my house
> as one or two dedicated device hubs that are always on and connected
> and every device I buy connects to them. Or a hub of my choice that I
> choose and can change at any time I like.
> 
> What I have today is eight devices in my house that are each connected
> to a different service in the cloud that is proprietary and I have no
> control over. The gadgets I have bought at no little cost only work at
> the whim of the providers.

i tried and failed to communicate this in the pre-paris iot security
workshop.  this is related to the model that you do not actual own that
light bulb, car, whatever, you license use of it.

> If you RSVP, I can let the AD know what numbers to expect and that
> will determine if we meet in an actual bar or get a room.

get a room

randy