Re: Gen-ART LC review of draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis

Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Tue, 24 May 2016 12:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: Gen-ART LC review of draft-leiba-cotton-iana-5226bis
From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
To: Roni Even <ron.even.tlv@gmail.com>
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Hi, Roni, and thanks for the review.

> I am wondering about the lack of normative language for example in section
> 4.11
>
>    “When reviewing a document that asks IANA to create a new registry or
> change a registration policy to any policy more stringent than Expert Review
> or Specification Required, the IESG should ask for justification to ensure
> that more relaxed policies have been considered and that the strict policy
> is the right one.”
>
> Is the “should” normative here?

Perhaps you're confusing "normative language" with "2119 key words":
text doesn't need 2119 key words for it to be normative, and this
document quite intentionally does not cite RFC 2119.

The example you give is a perfect one to show why we're not trying to
shoehorn key words that were meant to give instructions for
interoperable protocols into a document that's giving advice for
writing and interpreting IANA Considerations.  The sentence above
means exactly what it says in English: it's advising the IESG, but it
is ultimately the IESG's decision.

Barry