Re: All these discussions about meeting venues
Melinda Shore <shore@arsc.edu> Mon, 13 September 2010 19:02 UTC
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To: George Michaelson <ggm@apnic.net>
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On Sep 12, 2010, at 6:57 PM, George Michaelson wrote: > > in another time and place, we invented killfiles because this class of discussion proves so counter-productive, its better not to see it. Note that killfiles didn't end discussion, they just allowed individuals who didn't want to see some traffic not to see it. I expect your mailer has similar functionality. > My impression of what some people seem to want, is that their personal constraint-set be applied globally. I suppose there's some of that, but there really are people with particular needs (food, accessibility, other issues) and I would place their requirements as more pressing than people who are weenies about the cold. > I might add that if the excluded party feels this is oppressive, I am sorry. It is not intended to be. But, at some level, sooner or later, you have to be willing to say "I'm the problem here, not the remaining 999 people who have lesser constraints" There was a rather nice piece on diversity in, I think, the Chronicle of Higher Education, where the author said something along the lines of suggesting that if everybody shared your attitude we'd be living in a world with no left-handed scissors. > "its not fair" is really really bad, when its one or two voices against the wider community interest. "its not fair, but I accept its going to exclude me" is far better. Not to belabor the obvious, but if you can't be bothered to tune up your mail filters, why do you expect people who can't find food it's safe for them to eat for a week-long meeting, or who can't get in and out of the building in which the meeting is to be held, to be the noble ones? Telling other people that they're the ones who must sacrifice for (your individual vision of) the greater good doesn't strike me as particularly noble, friend. Melinda
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- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Richard L. Barnes
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- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Mary Barnes
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- Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dan Harkins
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- Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Spencer Dawkins
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- RE: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Glen Zorn
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- RE: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Glen Zorn
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- RE: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Glen Zorn
- Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Fernando Gont
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Randall Gellens
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Mary Barnes
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Joel Jaeggli
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Mary Barnes
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Joel Jaeggli
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Mary Barnes
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues John C Klensin
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Ole Jacobsen
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Randall Gellens
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues John C Klensin
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Randall Gellens
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Ole Jacobsen
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Marshall Eubanks
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Randall Gellens
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dan Harkins
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Joel Jaeggli
- RE: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Glen Zorn
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues James M. Polk
- RE: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Randall Gellens
- RE: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Glen Zorn
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Andrew Sullivan
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Mary Barnes
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Melinda Shore
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dave CROCKER
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to B… Randall Gellens
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Joel Jaeggli
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Randall Gellens
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Randall Gellens
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Michael Dillon
- RE: All these discussions about meeting venues Glen Zorn
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Fred Baker
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Mary Barnes
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Mary Barnes
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Bob Hinden
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues George Michaelson
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Melinda Shore
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Fred Baker
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues David Morris
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Mary Barnes
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Martin Rex
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dave CROCKER
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Ole Jacobsen
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Janet P Gunn
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Michael Dillon
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Ole Jacobsen
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Michael Dillon
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Ole Jacobsen
- RE: All these discussions about meeting venues Glen Zorn
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Henk Uijterwaal
- RE: All these discussions about meeting venues Fleischman, Eric
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dave CROCKER
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dave CROCKER
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dave CROCKER
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dave CROCKER
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Ole Jacobsen
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Ole Jacobsen
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Andrew Sullivan
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Ole Jacobsen
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Michael Dillon
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Michael Dillon
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- RE: All these discussions about meeting venues Christer Holmberg
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- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Richard L. Barnes
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Ole Jacobsen
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dave CROCKER
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Dave CROCKER
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- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Martin Rex
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Randall Gellens
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- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Randall Gellens
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Randall Gellens
- Re: All these discussions about meeting venues Randall Gellens
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