Re: Protecting Copyright.

["Scott O. Bradner" <[e-mail]>]

a new document with the text from another imbedded in it is a derivative work

derivative works do not require a change in the ideas the derivative work could just be an extension or repackaging of the original work

Scott



> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Khaled Omar <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> you should take a look at BCP 78 - the derivative works right is within the IETF unless special permiaiaon is granted
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> It says "derivative works rights", not "the original work rights".
> 
> Khaled Omar
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott O. Bradner <[e-mail]> 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:45 PM
> To: Khaled Omar <[e-mail]>
> Cc: Pete Resnick <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Protecting Copyright.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Khaled Omar <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>> So what are the benefits for this development that comes to the author if his work can be stolen by anyone?
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>> Why there is a standardization organization like the ietf?
>> 
>> Is this means that any other organization can be established and use all the ietf related work and add the protection to its participants other than wasting their efforts? 
> 
> no
> 
> you should take a look at BCP 78 - the derivative works right is within the IETF unless special permiaiaon is granted
> 
> Scott
> 
>> 
>> Khaled Omar
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pete Resnick <[e-mail]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:10 PM
>> To: Khaled Omar <[e-mail]>
>> Cc: Lars Eggert <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: Protecting Copyright.
>> 
>> On 28 Apr 2020, at 12:42, Khaled Omar wrote:
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>>> Is this means that anyone can use the contents of the IDs stored at 
>>> the ietf repository !!!!
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>> Anyone who is contributing their work to the standards process can include derivative works of other items contributed to the standards process (caveat the information below).
>> 
>>> So what is the copyright text included at the beginning and the end 
>>> of each ID !!!!
>> 
>> It specifically allows for derivative works. See BCP 78 (RFC 5378) section 5.3.c <https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp78#section-5.3>. By including that copyright statement (and not including any other limitations), the author has granted the right to make those derivative works.
>> 
>>> Does this includes applying what is included inside the ID without 
>>> contacting the draft authors ?!
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>> Yes. An author is allowed to limit the right to make derivative works (see section 6 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp78#section-6>, but I do not see this limitation in draft-omar-nep, which means you have granted the right to make derivative works to the IETF Trust, and the IETF Trust grants the right to include derivative works in new contributions to the standards process to other authors. There is no requirement for contacting the original draft author.
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>> pr
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>> Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world 
>> are tenuous at best
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