Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for downgrading in UTF8SMTP)
Kari Hurtta <hurtta+ietf@siilo.fmi.fi> Wed, 11 October 2006 07:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for downgrading in UTF8SMTP)
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:34:09 +0300
From: Kari Hurtta <hurtta+ietf@siilo.fmi.fi>
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>>> Harald Alvestrand > Kari, > > please be specific - I can't tell what you are thinking about. > > Please use the language from draft-ietf-eai-scenarios, and describe a > specific scenario in which you think that "encapsulation strategy" may > succeed, while "conversion strategy" requires a bounce, and explain why. > > Note: Encapsulation by the sender will be allowed as soon as someone > delivers on the promise to write up a draft on what the MIME part for an > encapsulation should look like - but this isn't in the critical path of > this effort.... > > Harald At least now it look that "conversion strategy" requires knowledge about syntax of header fields. Problem seems to be that converting MTA is required to know all possible standards which define syntax of mail header fields. Of course that does not prevent conversion of RFC 2822 header fields or any other standard header fields, when it is given list of standards, which syntax must be supported on conversion. Encapsulation can be done without without knowledge. Encapsulation (of unknown header field) can be either to new header field or to new MIME part. There may be some other cases also. These was what I was asking. I do not know what are these cases. I was asking about that. ( Also conversion may be impossible if there is allowed UTF-8 on some places, to where conversion is not possible. For example mime-encoded-words or some other currently existing standard does not define ascii compatible encoding. If new encoding is defined for missing parts, it is equivalent of encapsulation. ) I try look draft-ietf-eai-scenarios. / Kari Hurtta > Kari Hurtta wrote: > > > > > > I was thinking requiring "conversion strategy", but I was looking cases > > where "encapsulation strategy" may succeed (when "conversion strategy" > > may require bounce.) > > > > If these cases ("conversion strategy" bounces, "encapsulation strategy" > > succees), are many, then "encapsulation strategy" should have permitted as > > optional. > > > > / Kari Hurtta > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IMA mailing list > > IMA@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima > > > > _______________________________________________ IMA mailing list IMA@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ima
- [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for downgra… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for dow… Martin Duerst
- Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for dow… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for dow… Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for dow… Kari Hurtta
- Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for dow… Kari Hurtta
- Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for dow… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for dow… Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for dow… John C Klensin
- Re: [EAI] Proposal for decision, approach for dow… Kari Hurtta
- Encapsulation is required (for some headers) (Re:… Kari Hurtta
- Re: Encapsulation is required (for some headers) … John C Klensin
- Re: Encapsulation is required (for some headers) … Kari Hurtta
- Re: Encapsulation is required (for some headers) … Kari Hurtta
- Re: Encapsulation is required (for some headers) … Charles Lindsey
- Re: Encapsulation is required (for some headers) … Kari Hurtta
- Re: Encapsulation is required (for some headers) … Kari Hurtta
- [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some hea… Frank Ellermann
- Re: Encapsulation is required (for some headers) … Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some… Kari Hurtta
- [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some hea… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some… Kari Hurtta
- MIME subpart (Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is requ… Kari Hurtta
- Re: MIME subpart (Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is … Kari Hurtta
- encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] Prop… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Kari Hurtta
- [EAI] Re: MIME subpart Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] Re: MIME subpart Kari Hurtta
- Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some… Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] Re: MIME subpart Kari Hurtta
- Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some… Kari Hurtta
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Kari Hurtta
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … John C Klensin
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Kari Hurtta
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … John C Klensin
- [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some hea… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some… Kari Hurtta
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Kari Hurtta
- Structured vs unstructured (Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsu… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some… Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some… Charles Lindsey
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Charles Lindsey
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Kari Hurtta
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Charles Lindsey
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Charles Lindsey
- Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some… Kari Hurtta
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Kari Hurtta
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Kari Hurtta
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Kari Hurtta
- [EAI] Re: Structured vs unstructured Frank Ellermann
- [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some hea… Frank Ellermann
- Re: [EAI] Re: Encapsulation is required (for some… Kari Hurtta
- Re: encapsulation / conversion bounce (Re: [EAI] … Charles Lindsey
- message/TBD and RFC 2046 (Re: [EAI] Re: MIME subp… Kari Hurtta
- Re: message/TBD and RFC 2046 (Re: [EAI] Re: MIME … John C Klensin
- Re: message/TBD and RFC 2046 (Re: [EAI] Re: MIME … Kari Hurtta
- Re: message/TBD and RFC 2046 (Re: [EAI] Re: MIME … Charles Lindsey
- Re: message/TBD and RFC 2046 (Re: [EAI] Re: MIME … Charles Lindsey
- Re: message/TBD and RFC 2046 (Re: [EAI] Re: MIME … Kari Hurtta