Re: [imss] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version
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Hmm .. I read: "but not limited to TCP with MPA markers and SCTP" as being motivated by non-IP uses, e.g., InfiniBand and FC. Arkady? Thanks, --David ________________________________ From: Pat Thaler [mailto:pthaler@broadcom.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 3:17 PM To: Black, David; arkady.kanevsky@gmail.com Cc: imss@ietf.org; ips@ietf.org; rddp@ietf.org; storm@ietf.org Subject: RE: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version Did you mean "are not based on TCP" rather than "are not based on IP"? Arkady was asking about connection setup for SCTP which the former fits but not the latter. Regards, Pat ________________________________ From: ips-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ips-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Black_David@emc.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:53 AM To: Black_David@emc.com; arkady.kanevsky@gmail.com Cc: imss@ietf.org; ips@ietf.org; storm@ietf.org; rddp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ips] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version And here's what I just did to that bullet ... (5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires a small update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. In addition, a couple of minor changes to RDDP connection setup (based on implementation experience) are needed to generalize it for effective use with protocols that are not based on IP. I'm about to send the result to Lars for wider review ... Thanks, --David ________________________________ From: rddp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rddp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Black_David@emc.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM To: arkady.kanevsky@gmail.com Cc: imss@ietf.org; ips@ietf.org; rddp@ietf.org; storm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version Arkady, I'll beef up the bullet, but probably not with that degree of specifics. Thanks for pointing this out, and I apologize for the delay in responding. Thanks, --David ________________________________ From: arkady kanevsky [mailto:arkady.kanevsky@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:26 PM To: Black, David Cc: storm@ietf.org; imss@ietf.org; ips@ietf.org; rddp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 version David, The description of RDDP MPA bullet is too narrow. (5) RDDP MPA: Good support for MPI applications requires a small update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. This bullet should also cover ORD/IRD negotiation as part of connection setup. Also current RDDP connection setup is part of MPA spec which is primarily for TCP stream markers. This bullet should provide RDDP connection setup for both TCP and SCTP and for any message based protocol. How about: (5) RDDP Connection Setup: Good support for MPI applications requires a small update to MPA startup functionality to allow either end of the connection to initiate. Add RDMA Read credits to RDDP Connection Setup. Make RDDP connection setup to be applicable for any message based protocols, including but not limited to TCP with MPA markers and SCTP. I hope it is not too late to beef up this bullet. Thanks, Arkady On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <Black_David@emc.com> wrote: What I believe is the final draft of the proposed charter for the STORM WG is attached; I've done a bunch of editing and added the info about T10 and T11 doc access. This is about to go out for wider review. Also, a reminder that STORM discussion will stop cc:'ing other mailing lists soon. If you're interested in STORM work, please subscribe to the storm@ietf.org mailing list: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/storm Finally - this is a near-final reminder that the rddp@ietf.org mailing list will be closing soon - all discussion of RDDP protocols will move to the storm@ietf.org mailing list. Thanks, --David ---------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 ---------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ rddp mailing list rddp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rddp -- Cheers, Arkady Kanevsky
- [imss] STORM proposed charter - 31 May 2009 versi… Black_David
- Re: [imss] [Ips] STORM proposed charter - 31 May … David Harrington
- Re: [imss] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May… arkady kanevsky
- Re: [imss] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May… Black_David
- Re: [imss] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May… Black_David
- Re: [imss] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May… Black_David
- Re: [imss] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May… Black_David
- Re: [imss] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May… Pat Thaler
- Re: [imss] [rddp] STORM proposed charter - 31 May… arkady kanevsky