Re: [Int-area] IP parcels

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Tue, 21 December 2021 14:36 UTC

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From: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 09:36:24 -0500
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> Tom, reading your message makes me think you have not read my drafts. The
> answers to the perceived issues you are raising are all there. I do not see anything
> new in what you are saying to make me believe otherwise.

So there is a lot of email on this list where folks reference documents (and indicate - just go read the document). No one actually writes down (briefly) how things work in email messages. To read documents, in there full entirety, as well as the references those documents make, takes hours. Most reviewers don't have the time for every author that wants specs reviewed to put this amount of time in.

I would suggest that people inline write *briefly* how something works. If you want a quality exchange of feedback, put the meat of the design in email. If you can't explain it in two sentences, the design is too complicated.

This email response is not referring to you Fred. I am just making a general comment.

Dino